Notably, 2 things stand out significantly to me that feel horrible to play against.
Widow being the first. She can sit so far back from the fights and have free reign without much pressure at all. The only things that can reliably pressure her is another widow, or mobile flankers if they can even get close enough to her. There are no other long range characters that can honestly pressure her with reliability. She simply feels horrible to play against. Often times it feels like you can’t do anything because the moment you even slightly peek, you are dead. I am honestly not sure what the solution is, because I understand people love playing her, but it truly does feel terrible playing against her.
The other thing being cc. I understand alot of hard cc was removed from the game, but the amount of booping that happens, AND all on short CDs feels so bad to play against. I would even rather have some hard CC on a high cooldown more so than all of the soft CC that can be done very often. You have Hog pulling you, Lucio booping you, Doom punching you, Venture pushing you around, Sombra hacking you, Ball knocking you. And that’s not even all of it. That’s only a few.
To the same point as Widow, I understand people like these things as the user, but from the opposing side, it’s not fun to play against as often as it can happen IMO. I am happy to hear opposing opinions, but that’s my thoughts.
I’ve never felt this way about a Widow. Maybe it’s because when ever I encounter her, I can either out-Widow the other player or they’re being body guarded by their whole team which alleviates the pressure for my team.
If they can’t handle it after that, then it’s my team’s fault and not a fault of the character. That’s without even mentioning the walking disease that is Sombra.
Anything that makes you not feel like you feel disempowered feels bad tbh. Widow/Hanzo makes people cower and hide, Sombra feels like you’re not allowed to play, Moira feels like inevitable death sometimes. Invuln makes all your shots useless. Its kinda the same thing.
Yeah I’m of the opinion that having hard CC that can cancel abilities and ultimates should be on a longer cooldown. Same with abilites that can save heroes like res, lamp, suzu, and pull. Sombra’s ability to hack on right click every 5-6 seconds is insanely fair and balanced to play against as the enemy tank :') But I can’t speak for everyone since I am literally gold.
As a tank main, I do not mind Sombra. She usually doesn’t go after me with the tanks I play, and if I do play a mobile tank, and Sombra exists… I don’t get mad, I just swap.
Everyone looks at Sombra as this big bad boogeyman, but literally grouping up lessens her ability to do literally anything.
I had a few games where I’ve had a sombra just permahack me/ focus me the whole game and I just type a “:(“ in chat and the entire lobby just throws a pity party for me, Sombra included. That made it feel a little better, helped me laugh it off… but some games that doesn’t happen. Some games they just bully you into oblivion with no remorse :’)
That game we lost on Paraíso defense and I wasn’t able to get 3 out of 4 of my fluxes off bc of her hack or emp.
There are some maps where Widow is an absolute pain to deal with - 1st point Havana is my least favorite - but beyond those instances I feel she’s manageable. Me playing exclusively supp in comp, I try to flank her with Moira if my dps decides to ignore her, which usually works if Widow doesn’t have a pocket.
I don’t think she is as annoying/fun-sucking as Sombra. I feel like I’ve seen Sombra in every game for the past 2 weeks. Another hero that forces me to play Moira - to the point where I just auto-select her from the start now. Everyone has complained about counterwatch from a tanks pov, but I feel I have to play Moira if they have a sombra, and I’d just like to play some other supps at this point.
As for CC - I’ve personally never thought it was a problem. Maybe cuz I’m the one doing all the booping.
All three are tanks and you’re only playing against one at a time. Sure its starts to feel a little pinbally when Lucio, sombra, venture gets added, but I feel like this could be a meta similar to the annoyance of a dive comp. In fact, it’s a good counter for a dive comp
Yep, agreed. That’s how you stop her. But every time I use the “group up” call - NO. ONE. DOES. It actually feels like they spread out more and continue to ignore her (while spamming healing calls). I mention in chat “get sombra/help me with sombra” and nothing. And that’s where half the frustration comes from when playing against her. It would be so easy if my team helped me… instead I have to 1v1 duel with Moira
Pee jar will ALWAYS be the #1 offender, invincible bs, one shot mechanics (be it a widow headshot or rein charge…doesn’t matter), and I am not a huge fan of DF in general. Massively forgiving mobility combined with obnoxiously knocking people around every 2 seconds and an annoying block that seems to last FOREVER and soaks just about everything you throw into it and constantly increasing his own health.
I feel like a Zen/Lucio combo deals with DF pretty well. The boops throw him off just enough so he misses those big punches, and if he has discord it makes that mobility less forgiving