Can she at least reliably win duels against Zen and Mercy than?
May not entirely be the case now that Sombra has lost a lot of her aggressiveness, mostly due to translocator having damage knock it out.
So increasing her base speed to match Genji and Tracer isn’t possible because of hack? Okay… But seriously, we would have even accepted that as a starting point.
This is more of a problem with Blizzard’s tendency to show bias. McCree was sledgehammered very early on in the game’s lifespan and received nothing in return. He’s been an okay pick at best since season 3 ish I think it was. Not saying the nerfs weren’t justified but they haven’t directly looked at his kit since.
On the other hand, you have characters like Mercy and Hanzo, who they nerf slowly after implementing way too many changes at once and making them stupid op. Jeff did say his favourite character was Hanzo, is it really that surprising that he’s barely been nerfed?
Whoo boy, now we get into the fun part. Who gets to decide that Mercy needs to be reworked because she’s unfun to play against? Who gets to decide that Sombra can’t be viable because she’s unfun to play against? Why aren’t the snipers nerfed into oblivion because being one shot when you can’t contest them at all is unfun?
The way I see it, “unfun” should only come into consideration when the heroes themselves are unfun to play. And right now, its kinda dull playing Sombra. You’re always just waiting.
As for what you’re suggesting, I agree with it to some extent though heroes like Doomfist and Tracer with high burst mobility still need to have that shut down otherwise you don’t really affect their impact.
Tracer still has a lot of survivability if you only cancel out recall but if you only cancel out blinking she can waste some portion of the hack with a recall.
As for DF, seismic slam and rocket punch are a good portion of his movement and unless they get shut down he can still escape fairly easily.
I think the easiest way to balance out hack would be to bring in more primary reliant heroes like Cree, Junkrat, Hanzo, Widow etc etc. The more who don’t rely on abilities to get kills, the more direct counters to Sombra. Right now, she soft counters most of the roster and because of that no one wants to see her get an inch unfortunately.
Which is basically Tracer, only she doesn’t have any CC abilities. But look at her, she got nerfed and a counter.
You can keep living in denial.
Because of how bloated hack is. If you would have read my suggestion on how to distribute power from her hack, you would have realized I’m helping both parties; Sombra mains get a more power Sombra, since her hack is not the pinnacle of her DPS, and I’m helping those playing against Sombra by making it unfun to play against her, but in a fair way.
If you want a TL;DR, McCree doesn’t need to only use FB to get a kill. Soldier doesn’t need to only use helix rockets to get a kill. I’m saying Sombra shouldn’t need hack to get a kill, but hack is still relevant in the way that Sombra doesn’t have a 120 damage rocket that she fires, so neither would Soldier when fighting against her while hacked. Basically taking less than half of her power in hack away, and giving it to her gun and/or killing potential.
You’ve been on this hack is bloated train for a while, haven’t you?
Personally, I think she’s more than deserving of straight up buffs. let’s fix the bugs on hack before we nerf it.
Hey, it’s ok that you feel like you can’t do anything when hacked. It’s super easy to stop. Widow can snipe you, Hanzo Can one shot you. Doomfist can easily kill you. Tracer can one clip you.
Sombra is a character built around team follow up. That’s kinda why she’s fun. Duels don’t matter to me, but a dps increase wouldn’t break her at all. Because she still has no midfight abilities.
Plus, hack is kinda the center to her kit. Your proposal nerfs her ult, too(seeing as it involves hacking enemies within a certain radius). No thanks on that one. Sounds like a nerf. It’s a silence. That was inevitably going to exist in a game with abilities…it’s not bloated, it’s a cliche.
If you want to change what hack does to make it “fun to play against” maybe we’d be more suceptible. But sometimes opinions are unpopular for a reason
I was just going to say, they always say “Hack is bloated” yet barely anyone, Sombra main or not, agrees with them lmao.
You absolutely can and should buff other parts of her kit that don’t involve directly increasing her gun’s ammo, damage, or even spread. Simple things like reload speed, or translocating reloads ammo, or ulting reloads ammo.
You know what’s better than the “bloated” utility ability? Abilities that can kill people or help you kill people quickly. Helix rocket, reflect, dash, Junkrat mine, Roadhog hook, Reinhardt charge, D.Va missiles, McCree stun, etc. all help secure kills. Way better utility than disabling someone’s abilities and leaving them on the same playing field as Sombra.
I just…man, I get it. I get the idea. I get what they’re trying to say. Truly, I read through all of their replies. But, it’s so biased and wrong, that I just can’t entertain it anymore. It’s well thought-out and their feelings aren’t wrong, but they aren’t based on things beyond their feelings, nor are they receptive to actually hearing anyone else’s opinions.
Also, beautiful Pharah friend who I don’t know how to type or pronounce your name, if you respond, I’m not gonna respond back. We’ve been at it before and it was unproductive. Keep doing you, booboo. I believe in you!!!
Yes, because I’ve put a lot of forethought into what makes her bad.
The bugs were caused by the nerfs, FYI.
And no, straight up buffs were what got her into this mess. Remember her “hack can disable passives” buff, with the reduction in cast time too and tighter spread? That buff broke her too.
So don’t go flaunting ‘she needs buffs’ when the past buffs she got lead to disastrous results (hack time decrease) AND THEN following buffs came with compensation nerfs.
She needs a rework, not of her kit, but of her power dispersed within her kit.
Road and Dva both got this treatment. Hog came out with a better heal, slightly less lethal damage, and Dva got more damage, for less DM, of which she originally traded health for DM.
If I liked playing CoD, I wouldn’t even touch this game, so don’t get all condescending with me.
Come back and talk to me when you stop hiding behind your hidden profile and prove to me that you aren’t talking up to me.
And let me guess, click on her 4head LUL.
I don’t see how this fits into your argument at all.
Then why the heck am I seeing problems around Sombra, specifically around her not being able to pull her own weight?
Yes it would.
She has an initiating ability, hack, which then pulls the caboose of “I can’t kill anything on Sombra,” which is literally the theme of this thread:
Did I say remove Hack?
No, you’re going off the assumption that EMP is just hack on Q. Just because I specifically didn’t state that her ult would be nerfed alongside hack, you somehow pull a BS argument of me nerfing her ult.
Because you litterally ignored the section where I talked about that sum-odd percent of power drained from hack would be put back elsewhere in her kit.
It’s a unicorn because it seems to me people are throwing around loose terms when I specifically use a term based off it’s definition.
It’s bloated. It does too much and in return Sombra can’t do enough. Then you twiddle your thumbs wondering why Sombra is in a bad state. Go f Figure.
I see it being balanced and I see it being removed. An ability like that will never be liked (look at the recent uprising against OHKs). I’m willing to accept that it exists in exchange for less potency, which gets distributed elsewhere in her kit.
But instead I’m getting backlash from a closed-minded cult that ignores everything I’ve said. Any inch I give you ignore, but any inch I take you automatically have a 1000% problem with.
No one agreed with me when I said bash CD was the only problem with Brig, and now I get to sit on a high horse because Blizzard has consecutively nerfed the CD twice.
Proof is in the pudding:
Oh wait, she got buffs to stealth and translocator, She got buffs to her hack and hack CD. Which the first buff caused a massive backlash since Hack became uncounterable, and recieved nerfs, and scared Blizzard into building in compensation nerfs to her mobility buffs.
Geez, I wonder why Blizzard has to keep her ability suppressed then. Maybe it’s bloated because it can do too much, and thus the 2s CD upon uninterrupted exists.
Ok, but look at Pharah’s conc blast. It’s a utility. She doesn’t use it whenever it’s off CD. Her rocket launcher is strong enough that conc blast doesn’t need to be used whenever it’s off CD.
I’m applying that same premice to Hack. It’s not a must-use ability, it’s one that you use for crucial moments, and an ability that doesn’t force her to revolve around it. Quick reminder, this is the very complaint fueling my argument:
If I hated Sombra, i could literally not say a word. Are you getting the hint yet???
It’s not my feelings you should be worried about, it’s the muck of everyone else’s. My problem wasn’t in hack being uncounterable, it was the CD being reduced.
But i’ll tell you this: for as long as you alienate those with legitimate concerns about the power of hack, disregarding it as “yah, if she can pull it off” then you’ll never gather support from anyone other than Sombra mains. As someone whose created 2 megathreads on Bastion, it’s not about creating an echo chamber of stuff you want to hear with those you want to hear it with, it’s about outreach and explaining to others that you’re willing to compromise, so that they feel their complaints are heard, while you get your main, favorite hero, bae, buffed and in a better spot.
False. I am more than open to changing my idea, but I haven’t seen actual substance disproving why hack isn’t bloated. I have not seen a single point worth batting an eye to.
You cannot say that I’m not receptive when all you’re doing is pulling 1 moot point from a long list that you didn’t care to look through.
The problem isn’t how to pronounce my name, it’s how many aliases I have.
XplosionIncorporated
Xplo (original name in OW)
Pharbulous
XplosionReturns
PharahHen-
ElaHen-
Then going back as far as the beginning of XBL, dig aditch 999
Her buff in february didnt brake her kit. People just started panicing and talked out of their butt.
All stats were showing that she still was potentially UP. Geoff only acted on the knee jerk reactions because the pros were calling and they didnt like to adjust.
That I agree on, but what I tell myself everyday is that there is always one person who looks up to you even if you don’t know it yet. Therefore, you have to remain positive as being toxic- negative will get you no where in this game let alone life.
Which only worked during the last 0.1 sec period of hack, which happened to work like that since launch. And effectively, that didnt end up making her busted.
Genji to this day has a broken deflect hitbox which isnt represented by his visuals. Yet they attempted to nerf it, but ended up reverting it on the vertical side because it caused a bug which allowed people to headshot him through deflect.
just a heads up: A scout hero in OW is dumb. Teams are too small, maps are too small, and all the information you could want is easily available after 15 seconds. There is nothing that a Sombra doing recon can tell you that Tab and a well placed Sonic Arrow can’t. Hell, I’ve taken Roadhog on King’s Row onto the small rooms around the first point without getting caught and emoted to give myself a thirdperson view of the enemy team. All the value a recon hero could have, with the added benefit of Hog’s entire kit
I had no problem with the nerf itself, just how they handled it. Rushing out a nerf like that and then leaving her in that state without any acknowledgement for months is just disrespectful.
Actually, it did. Since she had 1 second shaved off her cast time, which amplified the bug. Meaning you could not prevent her hack after it was cast, or rather it as extremely impossible.
His visuals vs hitbox doesn’t compare to Sombra getting a buff which amplifies a bug.
Keep doing you, booboo. I believe in you!!!
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