Sombra Passive Hack

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Hello I just wanted to point out an interesting double standard with Sombra’s hack verses passives.

It was stated that she was meant to turn off all passives that are bound to a button. Wall ride, wall climb, double jump, etc. Cool that makes sense. However I am confused.

Our newest hero Brigitte has a passive called inspire which allows her to heal herself and allies around her. It is not a button she presses per se but it is activated via her primary fire. When she is hacked inspire is not effected.

So my confusion is this… Lucio who has a passived in his song auras. Both of which no matter what the player does in the game cannot be turned off or on with button. These songs play when he is loaded into the game during a match. There are only two (2) things he can do to effect these song auras. Crossfade which switches the song and Amp which boosts the effects of either song.

So why is it his auras which require no input from a player upon his being booted into a match allowed to be turned off completely when a hero like Brigitte who basically shares the same concept but in reverse allowed to keep her aura active?

She has to do damage to set off her aura. Lucio does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for his auras to already be in effect. The meme “just existing” was fitting. All Lucio ever has to do is exist for you to be healed or sped up. He only used a button to increase those effects.

My argument is not to hack Brigitte’s inspire passive but only to remove hack from Lucio’s aura that he PRESSES NO BUTTON for them to be active in the game.

Seriously its a double standard. It really confuses me. So Doomfist when hacked shouldn’t get shields from his passive right? Reaper when hacked shouldn’t get life steal right? Mercy when hacked shouldn’t auto heal right?

Just pointing out some things is all. :slightly_smiling_face:

Ps: PLEASE can we fix Sombra’s buggy LOS now it gets interrupted by Mccree’s freaking tumbleweed… his TUMBLEWEED!!! I get the reason for the nerf but she didnt even get testing on PTR for LoS pitfalls like light posts, tumbleweeds, small debris, etc. Any little thing interrupts her hack now btw.

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I would prefer that he still be able to keep the song on he was playing when he got hacked. Just take away the wallride. He and Zen can’t heal their team at all when hacked, which is huge for such an easy-to-pull-off ability.

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Passives toggled by Damage/Primary Fire aren’t turned off. Lucio’s is turned off because technically both auras are apart of his Crossfade ability and aren’t actually considered passives by the game. Honestly the whole Lucio situation is a mess but whatever.

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At least Zenyatta can keep healing the targt that has Orb and his Primary is generally better.

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Honestly I think it’s bad from a gameplay perspective that Sombras hack disables lucios healing as it is.

He seems rather singled out in this aspect- and it hits him harder than most (not THE hardest, but most). Especially amongst the healing supports

I’d much rather it disabled his ability to song swap- and forcibly locked
him on his current song.

And it should make him play hilariously bad Mexican music for its duration.

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pretty messed up that lucio can only shoot his pea shooter when hacked, compared to other supports when hacked, ana (underpowered needs a buff but using for an example) can still heal using her gun and still do relatively decent damage, mercy can still heal and damage boost, as well as whip out her pistol, moira can still heal her teammates and do her pretty consistent 50 dps (also pretty sure life steal isn’t shut off from hack), zenyatta’s heal orbs stay on targets and so do discord orb, plus he has pretty good damage as is without his abilities, and symm can still launch her orbs and use her primary fire, pretty much only losing the ability to use her shield, but lucio can’t heal, can’t speed boost, can’t wallride, and can only shoot his inconsistent projectile pea-shooter.

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Yeah and I do understand this. My issue is they never really state his songs are passives or not. I mean if thats the case then he should be able to turn them off if they aren’t. Otherwise despite switching songs or giving them a boost he still does nothing to the songs for them to simply exist.

It really is a mess. I just feel bad hcking Lucio players. :slightly_frowning_face:

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I mean it kinda does in the hero info screen so…

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I think the intent was that, similar to doomfist, Brigitte can really only activate Inspire when she deals damage with her abilities, and so disabling her abilities prevents her from reliably triggering inspire, but the whole “doesn’t hack inspire” thing was supposed to mean that it wouldn’t stop any inspires already in effect. You raise some good points though, and i agree that it’s an issue that should be addressed, but i mean Brigitte is a new hero; almost ALL of the new heroes seem OP when they are first introduced because people don’t know how to properly counter them yet. Give it a few months, and the same people who were complaining “She’s overpowered, nerf her into the ground!” will likely be going “Buff Brigitte, there are too many ways to counter her” because they’ve simply adapted to her. Its a fact of life by now.

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Either way you slice lucio’s aura will be controversial, since it fits right down the middle between a passive and active skill. You can make a case that because you can control when to swap the aura with a button press specifically tied to it, while Brigs is simply tied to her primary fire, this is fine.

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Yeah my argument wasnt about her at all. She was mostly a talking point. It dont make real sense to turn off her inspire while she is wailing on folks. But I get what your pointing out too.

Its just that Lucio doesnt press a button AT ALL for his song aura to be active. And hack was supposed to address passives that are mapped to a button on their own, not to a bound ability or attack. :blush:

I wonder if the devs will address this. Lucio does seem to get hardest with this imo.

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if hacking his music gun made it play only La Cucaracha, that would be hilarious.

annoying after awhile, but hilarious.

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I love that song choice. I feel he’d need one for each aura she locked him into.

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Yeah you understand.

That’s my other issue. Its not really a passive but not an active button press ability. Sure you have to press a button to switch songs but any way you slice it, the song aura is playing in the beginning of a round with no input from a button required.

Poor Lucio… :hushed:

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Agreed, like i said–the issue is something that will need to be addressed (i meant to refer to the issue with it affecting Lucio super-harshly), because it DOES seem kinda unfair to Lucio.

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Hmm, what would be a good alternative…

Maybe Yakety Sax?

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Lol you guys are silly. :grin:

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