Oh, yes, when she had emp it worked. When she didn’t it was 5v6.
It wasn’t a useable niche.
Yup. It really didn’t.
Edit it was useable though. Which is the last stage shook out like it did.
It’s a niche that’s been deleted from the game though.
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You say that as if you think i’m advocating for this even using mercy as an example. I’m speaking out against it. I don’t want these sombra nerfs to go through
Wow… not only are people saying that Sombra doesn’t need nerfs but they are actually saying she is underpowered! This forum never ceases to amaze me. Bravo!
Well, yeah. She is underpowered. Most Sombra mains are 100% okay that they are nerfing hack and EMP. But even with those “OP” abilities, how is she powerful when she’s barely ever winning? Wouldn’t a hero with powerful abilities be doing better than this?
That’s why people are saying she’s underpowered (and not really even underpowered, just underperforming). Nerf hack and EMP - sure. But compensate her. Lowest winning hero in most ranks does not need net-nerfs.
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Sombra is completely fine. No need for buffs or nerfs. The only reason she has a poor winrate is because nobody knows how to play her properly (she’s kinda supposed to be an EMP bot but if you don’t like that playstyle then don’t play her).
You’re warping logic to seem like she’s fine. The only times shes picked she loses. You didn’t even mention her winrate.
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As far as I know, there aren’t winrate stats for heroes in the OWL (stage 4) right now. So… Idk where you’re coming from with that, but you better chill out, pal!
I know , I was just saying that people use the “Fun” argument as how they want
If it’s for something they like - OMG clearly a reason for a change.
If it’s for something they dislike - Nah , Fun is subjective.
That is why they want some buffs for her. She relies on EMP too much.
Let’s make Sombra great again !
Are you sure most Sombra players are okay with that? I’m not.
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Sombra needs either compensation buffs or a rework.
Cause at this point,the hero with the lowest winrate and one of the lowest pickrates getting nerfed is nothing but a joke. It reminds me of the whole Akali situation in League of Legends. Good in higher play,but useless for casual players. (Except,you know,Sombra isn’t good in anything.)
It’s not. I mean, she’s literally been worse statistically than she is now. Hard to believe I know.
Just remember that half the developers don’t want her in the game, and that’ll explain everything.
No,I’d rather believe that the devs are trying too hard to appease certain players,whether they’re forum posters,pros or whoever else,which results in this Sombra nerf mess.
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No. Jeff or Geoff went on record to say a Stealth hero was incredibly controversial, some developers didn’t want it at all, and it’s why they won’t let her be an assassin because none of them want that.
If they simply cannot agree on her simply existing 3 years down the line, they’re never going to agree on fundamentals of design or balance. That’s why she’s a train wreck.
i see you are Sombra Main
and aslo bastion more low pick rate and low wins rate than sombra
True, but every hero needs to be as close to a 50% win rate as possible. 43% is way, way below average and indicates Sombra needs some kind of buff.
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I wont argue, but look up Samito’s post on Sombra.
Hes a contenders flex DPS player, for some backstory.
Which is silly, because when they released her they made a super big deal out of it with all that ARG fiasco. She was the second hero they came up with right after Ana.
You only mentioned the buffs and none of the nerfs. Also, if both her pick AND winrate are low then clearly it wasnt enough and Sombra does need more. You don’t just stop balancing a hero because "lol but yall got so much already 
"
You keep making changes until you get it right.
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