Sombra I think is a miss understood character although lots and I mean lots of people hate sombra because how easy she seems to be but in reality she is only able to play that way because you enable them to if you just realise how incredibly predictable they are you can easily skill diff them so just get good on sombra and if your against sombra in short be smart
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When it comes to this character, Iām always somewhere in the middle. She feels like a bandaid to questionable heros. Sheās annoying but still mid for most people.
Sheās not like venture or reaper where they are really loud, really big relatively, and those things make them actually trackable for how dangerous they can be up close. She sets up for free.
And my main gripe is having to switch to sombra to counter sombra. Then, the second she pops out, I hack and she either bails and i chase, or dies right there and I run rampant.
I had a game where the enemy picked sombra to counter our doom, after not being able to lock him down with Mei. And I get why, but then our supports started to get heavily picked or threatened by her. So thatās when the counter-counter sombra comes out and the game becomes a 4v4.
Nah.
She has the widow and hog problem where a single hero on the field dictates how 9 other players have to play or else you instantly die.
No hero should have that much field manipulation by existing just so you donāt die.
Also hack shouldnāt be a lock on
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One hero shouldnāt be able to hold the entire hostage lobby, whether they are good or bad. To your Widow point as long as Widow is on the field you have to attack her first, you cannot let her free fire. As long as Sombra is in the game you cannot not be spychecking (shooting air literally). Horrible design
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I donāt know. So long as you learn to counter/coordinate with your team, sheās not an issue. I personally donāt see her as a threat and Iām Low Gold Support
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Itās not about whether sheās even good or not, her character design is terrible
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what unbiased, unopinionated evidence do you have to support that??? cuz, thatās been sombraās gimmick since her inceptionā¦ the counterplay for sombra hasnāt changed -at all- since the character release, even with the reworkā¦ the rework just made her capable of saying āor elseāā¦
She out here Barry Sanders everyone. Ridiculous
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if yo uwant to actually see something accomplished, the subjective whining wonāt get you anywhereā¦ the objective fact is that until this season, sombra has been underperforming across the boardā¦ she -just- hit an average WR of 50% across all ranks. you saying āher design is terribleā withoutany actual stats or facts to back up your desired outcome, isnātgonna get you anywhereā¦ the fact that she was underperforming all of last season, is why she got buffed this season.
Sombra is great character design the only bit of bad character design here is you
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Her design being bad isnāt about how often she wins or loses.
Is about how she strips the fun out of the game whether or not you win or lose.
A win against a good sombra is an exhausting and horrible experience. Like playing tank.
Its never āthat was a great gameā, itās āfml thank God thatās overā.
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your definition of fun, and anyone elseās deinition of fun are going to have completely different definitionsā¦ thats why this isnāt something devs care about -at all- for balance updates.
that isnāt something that blizzard can, nor should they be responsible for fixingā¦ your enjoyment of an activity is in no oneās hands other than your own.
notice iām not saying that anyone is wrongā¦ iām legit trying to help you guys get what you wantā¦ for that to happen, you need evidence that isnāt opinionated, emotional or subjectiveā¦
right now the objective data that blizz uses to determine balance updates is that sombra was underperforming in all comp ranks last season, so she got a buff. so far, she -just- hit 50% WR ( which no matter how much you want to deny it mattering, is what devs use data from to determine updates, so you may want to put it higher up on your ādoes this matter?ā scaleā¦) statistically right now, she is the most balanced hero in the game, and there is no known objective data to suggest she needs a nerf.
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Help im trapped in a nut shell!!!
Funny that. It would seem that a large portion of players shares this sentiment, with pretty much every post disliking the current iteration of Sombra being some of the most upvoted posts on the forum in a looong time.
You think itās a coincidence that the playerbase seemingly started disliking the hero all at once just by chance?
Sombra is, objectively speaking, the most disliked hero.
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I mean maybe, but generally speaking itās just unwarranted hate. The kit is solid, the only issue in her kit is unlimited stealth. Thereās a handful of ways to adjust it to make it more digestible. But I really do believe her rework solved a good 80 ish percent of the kit design.
Blatant exaggeration aside I wouldnāt stack Sombra in the same group as Hog or Widow. Widowās entire kit function is to enable one shots at range. That does not work with FPS games in any game.
Hog is more of a numbers problem than a kit design problem. Heās one of the better examples of a kit working better in 5v5 than others. People just donāt like Hog. Sombra only has 1 problem in her kit which is infinite invis. TP changes and Virus were both huge Wās in her rework.
I think Hack is fine where itās at but I know people will just hate it regardless of itās balance so I wonāt even try to argue that.
Kit design* and no. If you want a terrible kit design look at Widow. Look at Hanzo. Look at Torb. Look at Mauga. The only egregious thing with Sombra is infinite invis.
While that may be proveable, the fact of whether of not people dislike something still isnt data that devs care about in regards to updates. They have prety much put all of their data gathering into W/L ratioā¦ its directly tied to rank, its 100% why sombra got a buff this seasonā¦
Oh, no, sheās made the non-sombra mains salty since her debutā¦ another reason dislike of the thing isnt something that moves devs to make changes to their game. You NEED -something- that isnt related to a subjective matter of you want your desired results to happen. That thing also needs to be able to compete with the facts of:
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sombra underperformed in all comp ranks last season, (which is why she got buffed this season)
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sombra -just- hit 50% average WR for the first time ever, -this- week. Going off the data that devs care about, sombra is statistically the most balanced hero in the game right now.
Without something that can compete with that, that isnāt just feelings, opinions and subjective matters, nerfs arent in the near future for sombra.
Yeah youāre right Sombra definitely wasnt designed by a monkey that was dropped as a baby youāre right
You havenāt been here long, have you? Hog got hard nerfed and soft reworked because the community didnāt like the state he was in. Hanzo lost his one shot because people disliked it (which has seen some partial revision clearly). Cassidy nade/fb saw several iterations due to being disliked. Heck OW2 entire CC philosophy got reworked on the basis that people disliked hard CC.
None of these issues were inherently broken or too strong, just disliked and frustrating. If youāve ever read a Dev blog post, the y explicitly state when they make changes based on frustrating mechanics.
You are having an argument with yourself at this point. Itās not about balance or WR. Itās simply a case of the hero not fitting in and being an annoyance that the majority of players doesnāt wan to see in the game due to the fact that circumvents core principles of the game and is frustrating to play against.
Anyways, there is no point in having this discussion with people that are biased to a fault and canāt see reason because they are blinded by their own personal self interests.
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Sombra hate way too forced on here when there are way more oppressive heroes
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Bro if you are playing a 225 hp hero and below, sombra can kill you while you are next to both your supports. She literally kills that fast. Its not about positioning or skill at this point, its straight up cheese
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