Sombra feels incredible

[Øliviamanią-1737]

If you cannot get kills as her, that’s your problem, the character is very capable of doing so.

They said at one point they didn’t want her to be a backline assassin.

She is supposed to be an opportunist, not an assassin.

I got a huge hmmmmmmm from this.

[DeathMetal-1162]

What I don’t like about that suggestion is that it’s just another scenario where Zarya becomes indispensable. She’s already everywhere right now and maybe it’s my salty DPS nature but I’m sick of her. Gives this buff to Winston and I’m all in.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Maybe they could make it so that EMP doesn’t go through barriers, but only destroys the barrier.

[DeathMetal-1162]

Well if it were based on LoS that gives Winston the best barrier vs Sombra. I think if it affected every barrier though they’d need to up some other facet of the ult because it would get far less value just being a shield popper than it does already. Maybe increase the window of time hacked?

[Nathaniel-21398]

Honestly why not just revert infinite timers and with that you can also revert goats nerfs? I feel like she’d be perfect after that

[SchWiniX-2357]

It does feel really good I just don’t like ignoring her actuall problems and just force her out with DMG buffs tbh.

If anybody wants to try out something I think would actually fix some of her Problems I made this a while back: SOMBRA BUFF IDEAS WITH [WORKSHOP] (Shameless self-promotion sorry)

[Beesǃ-2610]

Oh boy, buffs to the most anti-fun hero in the game.

[ApexIsBetter-1575]

Great, a buff to the Mexican fun police

[TRANQILO-2820]

can you stop being a victim for once in your life?

[Sadness-21893]

The problem is her invisibility.

How do you balance an invisible hero who also disables you, so it doesn’t feel frustrating to play against? It’s not easy. People will ALWAYS complaint about an invisible hero killing them, and I think it’s understandable.

I wish Sombra’s design was way different than it is now. We didn’t need an invisible hero, and she could’ve been way more useful.

[SchWiniX-2357]

Tbh invisibility only became a problem when they made the stupid infinite time changes that nobody ask for.

[Hulkie-11860]

though. Surely there was some other way to decrease Sombra’s downtime?

They could make it that the first hacked health pack instantly resets her hack. But if u have more than one pack hacked, you get the normal cooldown on the next one.

[Sadness-21893]

I know. It was better before, it was up to the player when to become inv and surprise the enemy.

But now with perma inv all a Sombra can expect is being annoying.

[Wabba-11628]

S A M I TO

I don’t know much about this guy but everything I’ve heard points to him being a real piece of trash.

[RaysofGlory-1937]

Its a nice change, but it doesn’t address how clunky hack/invis is atm

[Yin-1797]

Holy hell, I hadn’t even realized what such a small change could do to a hero until now!

For those who don’t know, the Experimental card is up again, and on it Sombra’s spread has been reduced by 10%. This is huge; you actually feel threatening to your enemies after hacking them. Your dps goes up so much considering how small of a change this is.

Sombra, for the first time in nearly a year, feels incredible. With some smaller tweaks to her kit here and there, she’ll be perfect.

2.7 degree spread to 2.4 degree spread is incredibly minor. Literally about as small than a projectile’s length.

And damage didn’t go up, but consistency improves slightly.

You already did without the buff if you know how to play Sombra.

Pretty much.

Even in high level Sombra play, she often has to translocate out without a kill at current time. That’s why she’s played as an ult bot.

You’re either too far from the target and thus experiencing falloff, or you’re wasting too much time trying to hit and kill a target. Or you’re just too cowardly and a sneeze is forcing you back.

Remember that every time you fail to kill a target as Sombra in the middle of a harassment when your team isn’t moving in together, is just more ultimate charge for the Supports.

just finished a match in experimental, feels alot better, but the question is how impactfull will it be in the hands of someone with perfect aim, they wont let her have a place in the meta, devs are crazy biased towards certain heroes, her being one of them.
One streamer whines after she kills him, and shes nerfed

Clearly. Why waste development time, pay money to hire a voice actor, create an entire backstory, cinematic, and put in so much effort just to make absolutely sure, that she is never, ever played by anyone.

I would have preferred EMP’s cast time being reverted rather than a spread decrease, Sombra might feel better, yeah, but that’s a given from such a change lol.

At the moment, EMP has very little counter-play, so there’s very little they can tweak with EMP without it breaking the game. Until that’s resolved, you don’t want EMP to be too strong.

Sombras’s spread at launch was crap, it needed the buff, but now that’s not really where she should be heading, they would need to nerf other parts of her kit I feel like and I don’t really think that’ll be a great direction either.

This is hilarious, Sombra’s spread was still lower than Tracer’s at launch and Sombra’s falloff is generally higher than Tracer’s either way you look at it. In terms of output, they’re not too much different between each other. In terms of mobility, that’s where Tracer and Sombra tend to differ greatly. If Sombra players played as aggressively as Tracer players do and can, you would so much complaints.

Which is why a lot of us were against the stupid infinite timers they added for scrubs. Bring her timers and speed back while keeping the spread buff and she feels better to play against and to play as. If you cannot manage her timers, you shouldn’t be playing her because most of her mains could and had no problem doing so.

The problem with the infinite timers is it’s enforcing a style of play that runs counter to what Overwatch’s basic gameplay loops are. You’re not supposed to be retreating, but constantly pushing against defense or aggression. It’s much very like football. Sombra doesn’t work well enough as a hit-and-fade type hero because she lacks the offensive power to so. Her ability to disable targets and teleport around the field or sneak in and cause disruptions very much encourages teamwork and effort, but the effects of her kit’s style is running counter to that.

Even in GM and the best Sombra players in the world are often unable to secure the kills. It’s the entire reason for the spread change.

So no. It’s an inherent disadvantage given to her gun by giving her a wide spread and no midfight mobility.

Like you’re just not arguing in good faith if you can’t acknowledge that fact.

You’re more lethal on pretty much any other dps atm. And you make up for it with some of the strongest utility the game has to offer.

Again, and again and again it is pointed out that Sombra’s spread on her gun is lower than Tracer’s and pretty much everyone else within the same mobility range. Sombra’s ability to stealth and teleport across the battlefield is unique advantage, but too many players do not take advantage of it and run against the basic fundamentals of her kit.

They said at one point they didn’t want her to be a backline assassin. She is meant to be played with your team, not as a lone wolf. She was not designed to be Genji/Tracer Jr. That’s why she does not have a finishing move or moves designed to stay in a fight in order to finish people but can see critically low targets. She is supposed to be an opportunist, not an assassin.

Correct, save for the Genji/Tracer comment. She’s designed as a flanker, but even Tracer and Genji require team support to lock in those kills, Sombra is no different here.

She is not designed to pick a fight with whoever she wants and stay in it, she is an opportunist, not Genji or Tracer. You pick the optimal target and coordinate with your team to take them out if you cannot do so yourself.

I’ve seen high ranked Sombra get kills, don’t act like they cannot kill anything because that’s just not true at all.

Again, correct.

Her design doesn’t suck, some changes they made to it to appease new players do suck, though. They get rid of the infinite timers and more avenues open up for other changes, especially since they are unnecessary.

The design changes were intentional based on feedback, not because of new players. Getting rid of the timers, would encourage a different type of playstyle, but wouldn’t necessary call for additional changes.

Infinite translocator is really just a QOL buff at this point because it starts CD when thrown. Making her cancel it when it’s about to go off and toss a new one out if she needs more time than the old one would have had is just time wasting in most scenarios. No real reason to change it.

The thing is, the current translocator design is encouraging a lone-wolf, hit-and-run playstyle that runs counter to her kit as disabler and opportunist. She needs to be with her team doing work, not running in solo and retreating when she takes damage. Changing Translocator to be a temporary device with low cooldown (basically a reversion to her original kit design) would encourage a different mindset.

Infinite stealth otoh…

Could probably come up with something here, but a reversion would be a good start.

Tbh invisibility only became a problem when they made the stupid infinite time changes that nobody ask for.

Feedback wanted it infinite. They didn’t like it being temporary.

[Clonedpickle-1983]

Having a stealth character is fine the problem is this community whines too much.

In TF2 as a heavy main good spy players wreck me, so you really have to use your eyes and ears. Same thing applies to Sombra.

[JeanFrancois-1217]

That poster is certainly eating his or her cake and having it too.

[SchWiniX-2357]

Where you anywhere close to the Internet at the time (atleast stuff that’s Overwatch related)? The backlash was worst the 2-2-2 backlash with only really rare cases of people actually approving it.

Saying the feedback was bad is an understatement people HATED it.

[Beesǃ-2610]

Her infinite uptime on her translocator is a bigger problem than her invisibility. A Sombra with a translocator safely in her backline can’t be punished without hard stuns. They need to put it back on a timer again. Infinite invisibility is fine, it’s actually one of the more balanced parts of her kit, simply because she literally can’t do anything else while invisible.