I noticed that after the changes that made Sombra lose her perma stealth, she actually got worse to fight against. That’s because one of her changes was she wouldn’t get out of stealth mode when hit, and instead she would be simply revealed for a while, and i think that made her more difficult to catch. Also, her translocator cooldown got quicker, meaning she can simply teleport almost every time some gets her, and combined with the perk that makes her start to heal it’s almost impossible to kill her. She not having to get out of stealth to do any damage is makes her more difficult to counter, since she can just pop out of stealth already doing damage, kill and just leave.
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I was watching one Sombra actively attacking only 1 second at a time, then teleporting to re-invis, then repeat. It was annoying to say the least. I only way I ended those shenanigans was with Cass flash bang.
So, a few things.
People (Sombra haters) wailed for changes to her for years while she had a terrible winrate. There were also complaints about how Hack worked. There were complaints that she needed a skill shot. There were complaints she was always invis and could choose whenever she wanted to engage. The cost of that was she wasn’t that lethal, and despite all the things people complained about, she still had a winrate below 50% across all tiers.
Where she was weak damage and higher utility, complaint after complaint (after complaint) got her moved to far lower utility, but she had to be compensated with higher damage because she’s not a low-skill hero. If she was truly what people were complaining about, she’d would’ve had a much higher winrate.
So from my perspective (and I think it’s objectively correct), people whined her into this existence, and she is much more lethal for it. As some Sombra mains call out, they destroyed her identity and playstyle in order to make her another boring dive assassin instead of a strong tactician.
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It’s really no worse than dealing with a good Tracer. Either way, you’re getting shot in the back over and over again, only for the assailant to dip out. And Tracer is more effective. She doesn’t need to lock out your abilities to kill you.
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I’m getting what shots over and over!?
Bullets, probably. But if you pay extra you might get the OFans simp package.
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No judgement, but I don’t pay for that kind of service. It’s mutual or nothing, for me.
If you shoot my back, I’ll shoot yours.
The only Sombra version that works is the OW1 Sombra. All other versions need massive buffs to compensate, which then create new problems. That’s exactly what happened with the last three reworks—let’s see how many more it takes for Blizzard to finally realize it!
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The winrate never matters. Because win or lose a game against sombra is just boring. That’s what people (and the dev team) seem to not understand. The rework… did nothing. The changes she has gotten over the years… did nothing.
Her utility may have gotten weaker but it’s STILL the only reason people play sombra. She’s STILL just the counterswap hero, and that is why she will continue to be hated.
Her kit is anti-fun. When that anti-fun isn’t changed, whether she’s bad or good people will KEEP hating the hero.
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I could ask how you figure, but I’ll just say it does.
Subjective.
No, it made her way more lethal. I think the lesson is to stop whining about Sombra because you never should have in the first place (ok, maybe it’s ok to whine about a 6s Ability Lockout Hack). The complaints were NEVER that she was overpowered, they were ALWAYS that she was annoying.
This is OW. That’s how things go.
Every hero is annoying.
She’s the dive/bypass the choke/I guess I’ll tank space on DPS since my tank can’t press W hero, for me.
All kits are anti-fun to people dying to them.
To Sombra haters I’m pretty much at the point where I say: die mad. The haters will literally never be satisfied despite her being changed as much as Sym. Over the years I’ve asked for reworks to her that don’t gut her viability or identity and I’ve not seen one single good suggestion from a hater that fixes her issues while preserving her role/niche.
Be my guest to be the first, if you want.
Also, for the record, I defend Sombra like this while being a Ball main who picked her up to learn to get around the counter, and now I intrinsically understand why she’s so misunderstood from everyone who doesn’t actually play her but will happily and loudly complain. Moira (and sometimes Junkrat) gets the same kind of attitude/behaviour (but moreso from lower MMR players). Sombra is a non-issue in PC Diamond and above.
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A subjective opinion that is shared by most players hence the constant complaints even when she’s bad. Hence the constant changes she goes through.
Barely. She’s still one of the least lethal flankers. No one picks sombra, for her backline assassination abilities. No one picks sombra for her lethality.
People just pick sombra, as what she’s always been picked for… as a counterswap hero lmao.
Not every hero is community wide despised as much as sombra. There are levels to this.
Her kit is anti-fun.
No.
She’s still the counterswap hero.
You can keep being ignorant and missing the point. You can keep saying “but but but everyhero is hated!”, that won’t get you anywhere because it’s just you missing the facts.
Her kit is anti-fun. Everyone except for sombra players themselves hate her design.
This has ALWAYS been the case, and it will continue to be the case as long as her base design still has the anti-fun elements that no one enjoys.
A wrong majority is still wrong.
Guess you’re still deciding how people play and what they play? I want to know more about that headcanon. What do people pick Hog for?
Again, hate based outside of logic is essentially misguided bigotry/ignorance. People (including the devs) do often act out of ignorance, though…
I get the point, for Sombra haters it’s “Waaahhhhh I don’t like Sombraaaa she’s yuckyyyy… fix herrrr”. You may correct my spellings if you need.
Your ‘facts’ are subjective, I shouldn’t need to repeat that. She’s not good by your own admission, thus she doesn’t need changing.
Repeating your wrong point won’t make it right. I literally just told you I main Ball and I’m out here defending Sombra. I don’t hate her design. Thus, you must be wrong and should reconfigure your poor argument.
If you want to have a conversation about it instead of shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling she’s anti-fun again:
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Ah ok I see that this is pointless.
You’re too far in your own rear that you have the mindset of a child. “Everyone else is wrong, perfect design no problems. you guys complain cuz bad. lalalalalala”
It’s not headcanon. It’s the simple truth.
No one is picking her for backline assassination, because she’s the worst at it.
It’s not based outside of logic. The logic is there you are just again, too far up your own rear that you ignore the logic presented no matter how much it makes sense and you go “lalalalalala” with your fingers in your ear.
Again.
You are a child.
Me not liking her is due to subjective reasons.
“Most people not liking her”, is a factual statement.
Irony!
I won’t be continuing this conversation because I have better things to do with my time, then waste it on someone who wants to act ignorant on purpose and act like a child on the internet.
Have fun in your fantasyland while your hero keeps getting changed because shocker! Most people don’t like her and blizzard knows that.
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Only now!?
Projecting is cute.
You think your subjective reality is truth.
Lived experience proves otherwise. Next you’re gonna say something like a Grapple-shot Widow is best at killing the enemy backline.
You have thus far shown you refuse to employ any.
Ok, quote it back from one of your previous posts for me? Is it “I Don’t Like Sombra and My Opinion Matters cause my Friends Say the Same thing?” Remind me what your ‘logic’ was.
Did you just ‘I know you are but what am I’ me? LOL
More projection!
And still based in subjectivity. If you’re unclear, facts that are based on subjectivity are opinions. I feel like you’re showing how out of your depth you are, here. We can stop if you don’t have anything relevant or salient to say, you don’t need to insult me as a replacement for those things. You’re better than that!
you can’t.
You don’t actually have any points, you just have how you (and Most People, according to you) feel and think that’s good enough to change Sombra yet again, while being completely unable to provide any solutions or even specifically describe what it is you want to change about her or how you’d powershift her to make her better.
One day when you can engage in discourse in a mature manner, I invite you to revisit this and come up with some good points to continue with.
Best of luck until then! 
Reading through this, man! You are a condescending weirdo LOL.
No one is forced to write up some detailed essay and blueprint on how to fix sombra and where to powershift. We’re not the ones with the credentials to come up with hero designs and some people simply aren’t creative in that aspect.
And thinking that people who don’t write up that detailed essay somehow aren’t good enough for a proper discussion with you? Please, get over yourself.
Also please just accept the fact that you chose to play a hero that most people don’t like. It is what it is. Dawg I play doom, I understand that sentiment. You just gotta live with it. But the way you go about it, it’s straight up just being a weirdo. Sombra may have on paper gotten powershifted, but when all the aspects that make her unlikable are still a part of her kit? And then you add in another unlikable ability with virus? You are asking for the hero to be disliked at that point.
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Thanks!
But I don’t really care about the opinions of people who cry about Sombra for years while she’s almost never been strong. I’ve seen the same thing happen to Sym, Torb, Hog, and others. It’s a toxic balancing pressure/cycle and the devs tolerate it.
You could easily be crying about something that should change like Sojourn, Ana, or Widow but this is the hill you choose to die on, and I’m happy to help bury you.
I could be a lot nicer (and I start out very civil) but I’ve had a lot of these conversations over the years and the answer (for what Sombra’s true problem is) is always, “I just don’t like playing into her”. Big deal, grow up, imo. Your dislike isn’t a pass to rework her yet again. People like you have never liked her and never will, so making balance decisions around that feeling no longer makes sense. It’s tried and tired.
IDK how many times I have to say I main Ball, but I main Ball. Sombra is/was a Ball counter.
I just feel strongly because there’s a plethora of noisy opinions on Sombra from people who don’t actually play her, and hate her because she stomped them. She’s not good, you’re just mad because she’s better than you were able to be and that misguided hate is being directed at changing her out of inadequacy. Again, Sombra is a joke at ranks that peel/aim. Both are learned skills and within a lot of players’ reach.
She’s really easy to kill if you know what you’re doing. Doom can actually easily hunt her down and she literally can’t do anything about it.
Haters asked for a skill shot for Sombra, not Sombra players. That’s why Hack got lowered and Virus got added in. Haters complained she never died cause she could just Translocate away when a fight got sticky (not realizing she’s useless when she has to take forever to restage), which is why that got changed.
Like call me weird or loathe me as much as you like, I’m not speaking subjectively and I’m not lying about these assessments. I don’t really care if you don’t like my argument style, I’m not here to be friends with people who don’t understand what they’re asking for when they complain about Sombra (because I’ve seen it happen with her 3x before).
I used to be a Sombra hater in OW1, then I shut up and learned her weaknesses and she’s turned from a problem into an asset for me.
What gets me is people unjustly having a detrimental opinion on her and her place in the game, informed by almost sheer ignorance. That is so stupid, to me.
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There is a simple solution to the Sombra problem. And it will be here in 3 weeks.
Hero bans.
For all of us out there who never want to see a Sombra in our games again, we finally have the means to do so.
I for one will ban her every game. And I hope all you Sombra haters out there do the same.
Then maybe Blizzard will finally make a change to the heroes kit that doesn’t annoy the entire player base
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Yes, because that’s what people are trying to tell you.
It doesn’t matter if they are good or not, they are so unfun that even when they suck it’s still a bad experience to play against them because their designs are that bad.
That’s the entire issue.
???
People have been saying that about those heroes?
???
I don’t care if she’s easy to kill? That’s not my point.
Virus isn’t a skill shot.
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UNFUN IS A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE, EVERY HERO IS UNFUN TO SOMEBODY ELSE
You can’t make balancing decisions based on that argument. And if we are, right:
WHY DOES ANA OR WIDOW STILL EXIST WHEN THEY ARE MORE COMPLAINED ABOUT/A PROBLEM THAN SOMBRA?
It’s blatant favouritism and (as I said) unjust.
Anti has always been 100%. Widow has always been able to 1-shot most of the cast. Neither got major reworks like Sombra’s multiple. Why?
Then your point probably shouldn’t hold much weight. Dispatching her is in-line with other heroes. This game’s strength is in its diversity of gameplay and Sombra is included in that. The same argument goes for people who despise Turrets.
Take that up with the devs. They seem to think it is.
Yes. It is subjective.
A subjective take that is shared by a vast portion of the community, hence why she’s constantly getting changed. Hence why those complaints you see are constantly flying even when she’s bad.
You’re right. It is favoritism. That doesn’t now mean that sombra isn’t badly designed.
It just means blizzard needs to stop playing favorites.
Because the game is ran by idiots, idk what you want me to tell you. Neither of them should still have those aspects.
But just like turrets, something being “easy to get rid of” doesn’t mean that it isn’t an unfun experience to face.
Having to shoot an inanimate object before you can really play the game as a flanker, isn’t fun. Having to shoot at air, and play tag with an invisible hero, isn’t fun.
Yea, Overwatch devs don’t understand their own game.
More news at 11.
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