to rank…change my mind
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See it the same way its really hard, you have to play much games to get out of your sr with a bit of over 50% winrate
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No it‘s not. Get better at the game.
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Not impossible. Climbed to GM solo queue on many accounts.
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Don’t solo q. Why u no duo?
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I’ve only ever been able to climb while solo queuing.
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Same here, i find solo queue de most consistant way to climb
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If you can’t carry in the rank you’re in it’s because you’re in the rank you belong.
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It’s harder to climb as a Support as bad teammates affect Supports exponentially more than the inverse. Just the luck of the draw.
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This is much more less so if you are support. Supports are affected more by poor tank and dps than the inverse. That ignorant line of though is hiliaroulsy flawed and whenever you see someone say that you can rightly laugh and ignore them. Idiocy.
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I personally climb with Support better in solo queue and dps better in a duo. I think I need the duo for dps because it takes a lot of stress off of me and I hit my shots.
Maybe you have issues solo climbing on support because you have a passive play style? If that’s the case either getting better at balancing your kit or duoing with a more aggressive player will help.
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Are supports actually more effected? Tanks feel really screwed when they have inconsistent teams because they need healing to survive the focus from the enemy and their ults require follow up. Dps have to put themselves in much more dangerous positions if they have bad tanks and a weak support is unlikely to help them (I know when I was first starting Ana I couldn’t hit dps so I only really healed tanks).
I feel like having a passive play style makes you disproportionately effected by a weak teams. Because the support role requires some skill in balancing healing with damage output, I feel like it’s the most likely place for people to play way to passively. I think Jayne called it “Support Syndrome” in an Ana vod review.
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Here’s the thing. It used to be much easier.
But over time, smurfs, trolls, throwers, have over run the system.
And why does that matter? Because the game is built to force an even match every single time. Which might work, if players were actually in their proper ranks. But they’re not. The system won’t put them there. It will just continue to force even matches with the same players forever. You win a few, then yoou see too many games that are literally impossible to win.
If Blizz would turn all their hidden MMR BS OFF, and just let SR be the matchmaking, then you will soon have actual even matches. Because throwers will drop like a rock. Better players will continue to climb rather than constantly get smacked down by the system itself as it tries to cancel you out for the sake of an even match.
Turn it all off. Just let games happen. That’s the long term fix.
Instead, it’s going to try harder and harder for eternity to force even matches and so your skill doesn’t actually matter.
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Well for tank it sure does feel way harder than it should be.
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You are missing the crux of what’s been said. If there are 3 equally skilled players playing Tank/DPS/Support, the former 2 will be able to carry more of a burden than the latter. I’ll copy my comment in another thread. Some practical, barebones, ingame examples: A bad Rein can still Shatter can wipe, a bad Reaper can still wipe with Blossom, an average Mei or Zarya can wreak havoc with theirs, those can all be done with a poor Support. Now the inverse. With poor Tank/DPS teammates a Support is burdened more. Supports can sustain, Zen or Lucio for this example, but that sustain will be for naught of the Tank/DPS can’t capitalize on it. Again, between 3 equally skilled players in each roll, Tank/DPS can carry more, NOT THAT SUPPORTS CANT CARRY ANYTHING. That is just how the game works. On the flipside, lets go back to Zarya and Mei as they are wobblers. That grav or freeze that caught 4+ enemies, they’re a waste if poor teammates cannot utilize it however that in essence is STILL more than a Support can do under the same circumstances.
So playstyle or skill is moot here because the that involves variables that cannot be adequately accounted for.
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It really isn’t flawed. Top level supports are the same SR as top level DPS. You think they got lucky? And on 3-5 different accounts they end up within 50 SR how?
Supports aren’t heal bots, they SUPPORT. Supports that whine about DPS are often just passively hiding behind walls or tanks and only healing tanks. Keep your DPS alive and you’ll climb. Use ults at fight winning times and you’ll climb. Land clutch abilities and you’ll climb.
Ana’s who sleep DPS ults, get fat antis, etc
Moira’s who never get earth shattered because they react fast enough with fade to avoid it
Zen’s who don’t lose fuels to flankers
Lucio’s who stall for ages, bully enemy DPS, speed in and out of proper engagements
Mercy’s who juke and fly around and never die
I solo queue one tricked Ana from bronze to high diamond last season and that was the first season I had ever played support and the whole time my teammates were raging at me for playing Ana. Make plays, win games. Simple.
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Well elaborate…instead of saying git gud why not just post some suggestions?
if you need more context I play Sigma mostly…
My profile is open if you want to look at my stats…I consistently get 2 golds 2 silvers or 3 golds 1 silver or on occasion 4 golds…I usually have high shield block as well 20-25k+ depending on duration of the game…
easy to say get better so why not give some advice instead?
And if your teammates aren’t “making plays” that burden on supports is heavier than it would be on Tank/DPS who can, at an equal level of skill, simply do more, as I’ve given numerous practical, ingame examples for. It’s really simple, it’s simply harder, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, just harder, to climb as support with poor teammates.
I would like to hear from any tanks that are climbing in 2-2-2. Actually main tanks, I know off tanks can climb just DPSing, but main tanks. I’m talking low gold to masters or something smiliar
low elo you cannot play the supprt you want…because people just love damage so much they eat it for breakfast lunch and dinner. dps dont play like other games…tacticoool use of cover corner peaking…no in this game they stand in the open.