At this rate why would anyone want to play anything other than DPS in OW2?
Ana’s entire kit is getting nerfed and people still complain about sleep dart even with a 3 second longer CD.
yeah exactly. ow2 is the game for dps not a game to make tanks better like we were promised
Ana does a fraction of the damage DPS heroes do and her damage is DoT. But sure, let’s pretend that’s anywhere close to widow or hanzo (hint, it isn’t).
I don’t think I have ever gotten slept and felt bad about it. Hitting a good sleep dart is not easy. If you get slept then you got outskilled and out played.
Shield bash took way less skill to land and felt much more egregious.
Have to disagree here.
It feels like sleep is this great skill shot and bash takes no aim. But if you actually look at the aim required in the range bash operates in, that is not the case. At that range if you miss a sleep, that is on you. Sleep is really easy to hit at that range. Even as you extend the range out, sleep is not that hard to hit with until you get a pretty appreciable distance out (where Bash couldn’t do anything anyway).
Additionally, you have to consider positioning. Positioning is a skill as well. If you are getting bashed it means you were out of position or Brigette made a really solid play. In other words, you were outplayed.
I think the issue is more how something FEELS rather than how it works in practice.
Most people that haven’t played a lot of Ana don’t understand that sleep dart can be very easy to hit once you get the hang of it. But to them, it doesn’t FEEL unfair because to them, it’s a hard ability to land.
Brig, on the other hand is probably one of the most hated characters in the game. So when something about her kit is an issue, then with the strong emotional response people already have towards her, bash FEELS unfair.
I meant, that it gave Blizzard impression, that it’s how they should solve constant lack of supports.
I don’t think she’s OP, I don’t think she has no counter-play.
I think she’s badly designed. So that, she must be balanced separate to the general ‘support’ role. He abilities rely on inconsistent, yet high burst value, which is very much counterproductive in such a quick-to-change-outcome game.
Yeah, Nano is strange. Generally, I think it’d be fine if Overwatch counted more towards ult-generation and had more answers than Defence Matrix and Kinetic Grasp.
I dislike it’s damage increase without having a dedicated hero to do so. Moira’s Grasp and Mercy’s DB is a much better way to do assistive damage on a Support. I’m comfortable with it’s damage reduction. It might feel better and be a bit more fun to decrease it by 5-10% and add 10% movement speed.
True-ish. With the amount of chaos native to lower ranks, hitting a Sleep Dart or Bionade can be an astounding amount of near-free high-spike value. There are fair complaints to be made. Sure, you can counter her, but let’s not pretend like that’s easy with a noncooperative team.
I mostly blame casters. And to a lesser extent streamers. Watch the casters response to an Ana landing a sleep dart. They tend to hype sleep hits like they are the most amazing thing ever. It is not a surprise that a lot of people start to think it is a super skill shot.
Casters like big flashy plays. Ana tends to enable them, mostly with Nano but sometimes with sleep. Brig tends to slow them down or stop or counter the big plays. There is a reason they hype one over the other. And that sentiment gets passed down to players just because they hear it so much. And they pass it to others.
I mean, I would agree with them.
Landing a sleep on a nano-bladed Genji in the middle of a teamfight with a large amount of money on the line while hundreds of thousands-million of people watch is pretty impressive and not something most players can pull off.
if an ana manages to stun someone from the other side of the map she deserves a medal. Or that one guy deserves the afk award
Yes, but:
Landing a bash on a Nano-bladed Genji before he kills you, while in range of his blade, in the middle of a teamfight and coordinating with your team to kill him before he comes out of the stun with a large amount of money on the line while hundreds of thousands-millions of people watch is pretty impressive and not something most players can pull off.
Playing at that level is impressive, period.
It is not that it is harder for sleep dart. It is flashier though. They can flash the play of the Ana player, talk about his % dart hits, show stats, etc. With Brig it is her enabling the team. It just doesn’t have the gusto. It would be harder for Brig to hit Genji and have her team help kill him than Ana sleeping him. But Ana is more exciting to cast, so that is the one they hype.
Plus there is the fact that Ana gives Nano, which enables big flashy team kills. So, there is already a bias for the character. That means because what she does will be played up as cool. Brig on the other hand tends to stop big plays with Rally or bash. She doesn’t really open up the flashy plays, she stops them. This colors the lens casters use when talking about her. Everything she does is negative.
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Super’s not the brightest guy, honestly, unless we’re talking his Rein, then it’s naturally good. (does need to work on Shatters though) As I already stated above, I’m not trusting the word on rumors. Super’s stream? (rolls eyes) Whatever. In OWL, showcasing the OW2 gameplay, seeing little for Brig even being showcased and seeing normal gameplay? On Brig’s end, I’d need more than seeing the small amount of gameplay I did see for Brig. Super’s the type of person I cannot fully trust and rely on, so…Gonna wait for Blizz or Andy to make the announcement that clears up the rumors, not relying on the small up-time of Brig gameplay time in the last OW2 gameplay showcase when they didn’t show enough for me to see much on Brig, and Super’s a player I can’t fully trust and rely on to give me said info needed. I’d totally trust Blizz or Andy though for that type of info, hands down. But, as things stand, it’s all rumors around Brig stuff lately.
Sleep can be interrupted, it’s easy to miss, and if your team does any damage to the enemy in the mean time the effect ends.
Shield bash stuns you so that everyone can pile damage on you in your moment of weakness. Has a shorter cooldown, too.
They are very different abilities with different consequences; I’ve been slept in game many times and not died, because I was too far away from the enemy to get me and the only consequence was ‘Well, you’re out of the fight for the next few seconds’.
Shield bash is basically a guaranteed death unless you’re getting hard pocketed, and as we all know they neutered healing across the board in OW2, which means it would always, ALWAYS, be a guaranteed death in this new game - unless you’re Roadhog and can start a breather right after while you’re getting piled on, perhaps. For most of the roster though, it’d be a guaranteed death. Sleep is not guaranteed death; it can be, but that doesn’t mean it always is.
Shield bash is melee, which means you WILL be physically close enough to die, always, and there’s no consequence to the enemy if they attack you (aka, the effect doesn’t end).
Very different abilities indeed.
“We left sleep dart because we FELT its fair”
And thats how u know its bias, not testing.
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so youre saying super just missaw what he saw with brig? because “he’s not the brightest?”. honestly makes me think you’re not the brightest lol
I love these arguments about Ana being easy.
If that was true you guys would have never begged for a hero like Brig to deal with flankers.
I bet many of you freaking out about bash change is because you wouldn’t know what to do vs flankers without stun. Well, play the “easy” hero Ana and land the “easy” sleep dart on flankers.
Because, Ana is a clear dev favourite and has been since launch. She’s more “skillshot” oriented, even though Sleep Dart actually has an extremely forgiving hit box. It’s why Anti still exists in the state it does, despite easily being the most powerful cool down in the game.
Yes, even more powerful than Immortality Field. It’s a free team fight win on a relatively short cooldown, and can be used both offensively and defensively. The ability is ridiculous, and in any other game would have been nerfed. Hell, it WAS nerfed in HotS.
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Now ur putting words into my texts that I never stated. And when it hits the point where people, like u, r gonna say things that I said but I actually never did say said words ur talking about, it’s time to just let stupid be stupid and just move on with my day. Go get angry at me all u want, whatever. I’m not having this chat if ur gonna start thinking unrealistic and make stuff up, a.k.a. adding words to my texts that I never did say in the first place. If u think I did, then read back to my previous texts. The proof that I never said that is there. I’ve made my point, and it cannot be disproven until u hit the day where some more info comes awry that provides further info and proof that supports what is being stated here, which is Brig lost bash or some form of rework happening or whatever. It’s too vague for me to continue this, what’s there is there. Bye!
You absolute mad lad. I could just tell from the first sentence that this is the entire Bee Movie script, but with Mercy replacing all of the Bees.
Also did you refer to humans as Hanzo mains?
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