So fed up of seeing both of these heros in almost every match and they are nigh unstoppable…
far too much damage, far too much mobility and their counters rely far too much on a skill based match up…
add to that the smurf problem and Genji’s specifically can 1v6 your entire team and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it…
its gotten to the point where if i see a genji in my match, i just leave, because its not worth wasting the time for a guaranteed loss…
Don’t have high expectations… there are people who actually believe genji is weak 
Yeah, just because he falls a bit shorter in 1 rank
Genji, hopefully never
But that hanzo buff needs to go
Smurfs dont dictate a hero nerf
but Genji is brokenly powerful below masters rank…
they should… because it ruins the game balance
Its the players who are smurfing that make im OP, in realty Genji isnt
They shouldnt imo, or the game balance would be even worse
For example: If they balanced for smurfs, widow would be unplayable unless you know every way to play her
He is. The problem is forum has many genji mains and well… their powershift ideas of this character is just horrible
Pretty much every post asking for genji changes is: more spam fire, more dmg, add an ultimate charge nerf.
Like, no, that’s not how you do it.
If you were to buff his primary and secondary, the you’d need to make cc to actually stop his ultimate same way it stops a Sigma ult or a McCree ult (basically add the element of outplaying enemies)
so what do we do? just put up with our games being completely ruined by an OP uncounterable, flea with invulnerability and a nuke?
Yes, what a good idea for an ult that requires him to get close 
Well he is counterable, if you use CC and focus him you will be fine
Deflect blocks CC, his mobility outranges CC, his tiny hitbox makes connecting CC with him impossible, and no hero should require the entirety of the enemy team to focus fire on them to be a “counter”
Genji is one of the worst dps heroes in the game.
Counterable as CC stopping his ult is what I meant.
In exchange, I suppose he could get some smaller buffs to his primary or even secondary although it’s fire rate is already spammy.
As for hanzo, it’s not the latest buff which made him broken. It’s just the base damage of his arrow which 1 shots even 225 and 250HP characters (when it shouldn’t) + the fact he has widow budget ultimate on a small cooldown
Hanzo SA buff was frankly ridiculous, and the only kind of buff that comes out from a limited group of people thinking.
Genji needs no nerfs, a slight tweak for higher end improvement, but that’s all.
but he is in every single match… and yet bastion is never in any match…
No genji is broken
no not really brig can disable genji its just stupid how one charecter can completely counter him and make him usless. coming from a brig main
Yea below masters because he’s fun, not many people enjoy sitting still.
And yet genji himself can disable many other characters in return - it’s not only about brig and genji interaction
you have no idea what you’re talking about. you can already out play blade with focus fire.
like who wtf i cant think of any the only one i can see is maybe widow
He doesn’t even counter widow. It’s a 50/50 at best.
not since she was nerfed into the groun, she did counter him nicely when she was released, but now she doesn’t do enough damage to counter him, he just stays our of range and bursts down her shield, then kills her, or if he gets caught out he just deflects, runs away, gets healed up and returns 2 milliseconds later
fun for the genji, miserable for the other 10 players in the match… the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
no you can’t nano and a pocket healer makes him unkillable… happens every time