So, my theory about bronze comp was right

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LITERALLY no different than QP if you dont place high enough to get at least gold-plat.

just for fun, decided to do some placement matches just to see if anything had changed…nothing has.

first placement match: GRR2TF LOSS

Our team:

5
6
4
7
5

their team:

31
26
37
2
6

they claimed they were unranked or bronze 2 (check out the genji on the opposing team…some weird lag or snaps happening…sometimes toward a target, sometimes to nothing)

predicted rank: bronze 4

game 2: AQM04S LOSS

our team:

3
12
6
3
9

their team

27
21
26
11
24

still predicted bronze 4

so far, in each of these games…the supports are so under fire by flankers that it’s all they can do to just stay alive…let alone try to dish out any damage. oh, and opposing teams have been either 3 or 5 stacks so far.

game 3: 88WYHK LOSS

our team:

26
17
19
17
4

their team:

12
12
15
9
9

predicted rank…still bronze 4

GAME 4: M9G3GJ WIN

our team:

15
12
17
15
17

their team:

7
6
6
7
0 ← they had a leaver

Predicted rank now is bronze 3

Game 5: QD4S1V LOSS (pretty sure the mcree on the other team was a smurf)

our team:

28
12
15
7
15

their team:
28
44 <—the mcree
37
25
10

predicted still bronze 3

GAME 6: LOSS WDM6EW

our team:

24
23
13
19
23

their team:

26
27
29
15
8

still predicted rank 3… im finding these games the opposing team seems to be using ALOT of phara, sombra, or tracer…and like NOBODY is peeling for supports…it’s just a respawn simulator at this point…

GAME 7: LOSS JSKW4V

forgot to write down the scoreboard, but this one was a little closer, but they still had a bit higher kill count than we did…and again, they had a phara chasing the supports around the entire match…it seems that in comp…supports take MUCH more fire than in QP…like a TON more…and smurfs…lots of smurfs…

by the way…are placement matches in their own “universe”? or are placement matches taking place in the bronze ranks? in other words…if you are in a placement match, is everyone in the also doing placements…or are some of them just doing normal matches? because if its in the normal matches… i see an issue.

this means that EVERYONE, from bronze 5 to T500 are doing their placement matches in the bronze ranks…and this screws up bronze game play…especially for placements…sure, that GM player may jump from out of the bronze placement in the very next game…but for that bronze player…whos stuck in bronze…he ends up just having another GM level player in this next bronze match trying to place out.

GAME 8: 2C2PQY LOSS

our team:

17
18
15
8
5

their team:

14
14
24
14
3

predicted rank: bronze 2 (ive lost 7 out 8 games…how is my ranking going up?)

once again, being chased around by phara…again…

GAME 9: 8VNT5R WIN

our team:

7
4
6
2
1

their team:

1
0
0
0
0

predicted rank: bronze 1 (im still not sure how this works…ive won 2 out of 9 games…and rank keeps going up…

this game was a total blowout for the other team…we just basically walked the robot non stop from one side to the other :frowning:

GAME 10: 4NX0AX LOSS

forgot to record the scoreboard again before i left…but it was pretty close…as the match went 4 rounds…our tank was zarya and had 54 elims…then the next highest was 44…i forget all of it…

but end result was bronze 1.

better than i expected…but not sure if it’s worth messing with comp…ive always been of the mindset that bronze comp was basically QP 2.0…

by the way…check out that lamp toss at 5:16 in game…rein charges the mercy and i toss the lamp across the map to try and save her from where the rein charge will impact…it saved her for a little bit but she had noone to GA to since she was off by herself with just the rein lol

your thoughts?

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In placement matches you get put against players of varying skill to calibrate your rank.

You placed around bronze 1/silver 5, right?

If that is the case, then clearly the placement matches started around gold for you, from where you slowly stumbled downwards towards bronze. And then you started winning against bronze 5’s and 4’s, yet still losing to silvers.

Looking at the elimination scores alone (without deaths factored in) it looks like at least 3 of those lost games were pretty even.
So for those at least you were playing close to where you ended up.

The match quality gets a lot better after you’re out of placements, since you’ll be matched more closely with people of similar skill.

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I don’t have any theories, but as to the quality of placement matches in my experience? Comparing them to QP games is a disservice to the quality of QP games. All twenty placement games (ten for tanks, ten for supports) were abysmal and markedly worse than actual Comp games.

So I’m not even going to bother checking out the replays and other evidence you’ve provided. (No offense.) I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when you say that placement matches happen in the deepest, darkest, unexplored regions of bronze.

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I am long past caring. I just bludgeon whoever they put in front of me.

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Every rank is like that. It is also why the scoreboard is completely useless. You just always have one team rolling the other.

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The match quality between ranked and QP this season is indistinguishable… only real difference is there is no backfill in comp. Ive played maybe 10 comp games this season and honestly have no desire to play any more comp matches.

The constant stomp matches is just stupid broken and is a complete waste of time and effort to play.

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You did horrible on the first engagement, as someone looking to heal bot as Bap you even let your tank down so badly she had to flee around the back of the fight. Zero effective damage (I expect this will be a theme) and not far off that in effective healing. The less said about that first immo the better too (I saw you bigging up your immo ability in the thread so I’m expecting much better) alongside running in terror from a tracer instead of fighting, which caused your own demise.

I don’t understand why you swapped to Brig immediately after this only to badly miss two whip shots and bash into an ulting Orisa whilst being out of position. Playing on the high walkway behind your team with an immo for the ult probably would have saved everyone.

On the following push you then let your DPS die by not supporting them on the high ground at all, failed to bash the genji deflect (it damages through that) enabling his escape and survival, didn’t have inspire active on team either and eventually collapse again.

Final push you were late coming to the fight, only healed one person and only got your ultimate once the fight was already against you and you C9 the objective even then.

I’m not sure what theory this proves yet. Their tracer seems like the MVP so far. I’ll spectate the enemy Genji in the second round to see if he’s sus as you claim. I can see from spawn and walk in that the genji has packet loss. I can see he has a very high sensitivity too but pretty poor overall accuracy and gameplay. I’d guess he’d be something like silver tops but I’m not sure. Not good either way and to me not really sus.

Had a quick look at tracer second round to see how they were and noticed you actually bashed OFF the map into the abyss whilst panic duelling. Oh my. The only sus thing I’ve seen all game is Orisa getting the kill credit for it??!!

Even then the game was competitive in the second round so it wasn’t a stomp but the enemy team played better as a team and rightfully got the win. If you improve your play I expect you can carry and win more.

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Thanks for the critique. I swapped to brig to try and help guard against the flank.

First match was a stomp. I felt I was taking flak from all sides. As I stated, seems like there is a LOT more support focus. 2 flanks plus tank targeting you as soon as you show up on the field is tough.

The shield bash off the map, that was a lol moment.

The tracer clearly outclassed me. Couldn’t keep track of her with her blinking, which is probably why I was trying to get away.

Wasn’t bragging about my lamp ability, I was bragging about that lamp toss in particular.

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Very egotistical bit of writing that doesn’t once even get close to showing that comp is “LITERALLY no different than QP”

The fact you talk so much about your rank moving an experience unique to Comp while trying to prove comp is no different really shows either you don’t understand or don’t care about the point you are trying to make.

If you really want to make this argument here’s the advice write down the differences then explain why each difference makes no difference. A quick list would be rule set, matchmaking, feedback given then the more subjective player experience and expectations of the mode.

That said, good luck convincing every comp player in Silver and below that the experience is no different because if even one does there is a literal difference.

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I’ve played comp before. In OW1, I say bronze comp is no different because it’s true. Most games are stomps, filled with smurfs, no comms, no coordination, everyone running off doing their own thing. Where am I wrong?

Remembering, I solo queue also

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No problem… I can do more if it helps but I think some general tips might be useful? If you can practice your aim/mechanics Baptise is one of the most perfect characters to climb with as he can do almost anything on his own. From navigating the maps with a movement ability to being able to kill anything (including pharmercy) to his huge self sustain (and team sustain if really needed), Bap is fantastic. He has been my go-to support carry character for a long time now.

I’d also recommend rethinking how you approach your matches. Your lack of self belief and ensuing worry making you misplay (tilt) seems to be the most common theme aside from mechanics (which weren’t super awful when not tilting) - Bap has no need to fear anyone, especially at that level. That doesn’t mean you cease to respect certain situations or enemies but with a cool head, a little aim and some plays you could gain many ranks from where you are now.

Try to enter matches not with a passive mindset but one where you shoot first aiming to personally frag the entire enemy team. Your team won’t be taking any damage if the enemy are already slain by your hand, right? :wink:

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I don’t know what’s going on but I swear QP is becoming sweatier than comp in my region and I just can’t find an explanation.

What is happening to this game? :hear_no_evil:

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The matches are a heck of a lot longer, that is a big (and inconvenient enough) difference for me that the mode loses its appeal.

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Perhaps your hidden quick play rank has increased and you’re coming up against more intense competition?

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Not sure why people still don’t understand that there is no difference in the matchmaker in any game mode

There is only 1 matchmaker

The only “differences” between the comp matchmaker and non comp are

  • SR restriction
  • no cross play
  • grouping restriction (wide groups)

Those “differences” are just further restrictions…they don’t change anything about how it functions…it still does the same exact things as far as how it decides people’s MMRs and such (the thing is used to actually make the matches)

That and you still have all the different things the matchmaker can’t account for that also have a huge impact on how the match itself plays out (hero selection, comms, player “seriousness”, unwanted behaviors, etc etc)

In general it shouldn’t feel like there is too much of a difference because the same system is making the matches

Player attitudes and decisions have far more impact on the experience/match quality

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Your situation wouldnt be different from mine OP, if I decided to go back to comp.

I have not played Comp in 9 months now. I still play this game reguarly, I’ve put around 500-600 hours on this account since then in QP.

I would not expect the MM to know what to do with me. Like at all. I left comp at Plat 3. With decay and the rank reset, I wouldnt be surprised if it put me in Bronze. How should it know what to do when I have no comp record?

Completely out of touch with your expectations of the MMR, OP. I really dont know what you were anticipating would happen, I’m not surprised at all by your experience.

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Here’s the thing about that…and this is weird. There are some games where my aim is spot on, and shots are connecting, then I can go into other games where it’s like I’m shooting at the target, but all the shots are missing, and I struggle to track the target…like, as hard as I try to keep on track, it just won’t track right. It’s the weirdest thing…and I’ve no idea why.

I’ve always tried to play as a healer first, DPS second, I guess because I figure that’s my role, we have DPS to be main DPS, but I am there to try and keep everyone alive. Now, I’ve heard that these days, that doesn’t fly anymore. You have to focus DPS first, too off people second…the problem is, if you let someone die, they’re like “why didn’t you heal??”

My other issue is I try to overthink everything…because that’s what I’ve been told I need to do. I suppose I no longer have the cognitive ability to be able to keep track of so much going on at once. From placement of every person on the map, to best positioning for every given situation, to keeping track of ult usage and ult status for both teams, healing, damage, kills, damage numbers, objective time…maybe trying to store all of that in my head and being able to track all that in the fly isn’t my strong suit…probably why I’m in bronze lol

I’ve also noticed that I apparently am a very noticeable character…what I mean by that is, I’ve watched widowmakers grapple to a point…out in the open, and stand in one spot for several minutes, shooting at people, and nobody ever does anything, apparently they are not paying attention. I’m not that lucky, I’ve played widow a few times, and the same as when I play support…the moment I arrive on the scene, it’s like someone is targeting me…most unfortunate I guess lol

Well, I was more specifically talking about bronze comp and I edited my heading to reflect that…I’ve never played above that rank. However, from the time I spent in bronze in OW1, I just never felt there was any difference between bronze and QP, people seem to play about the same. I hear people say it gets better once you get above gold? So maybe that’s where comp really starts to shine?

Well, I left OW1 bottom 500, placed once before in OW2 at bronze 2, then just this weekend in bronze 1, so it placed me where I should be.

My point wasn’t about my placement, but about how the matches, to me, play exactly the same between bronze comp and QP

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Less is sometimes more. Forget about some of those things for now.

Do you ever load into FFA or death match as Bap (or any support really) and practice getting kills?

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Maybe take into consideration that you are literally playing with bronzes and the actual bottom of the comp barrel? You don’t go into McDonalds expecting it to be a high end meal, just like don’t go into bronze comp matches expecting to see high level skill (or much of any at all)

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No, only occasionally when I’m waiting on matches to queue

No, I agree lol, which was the whole point of my post…bronze comp isn’t any different than QP.

Perhaps some of you are misunderstanding what I’ve been trying to convey here. Just comparing bronze to QP is what I was getting at.