TLDR; GOATs is Triple Tank Triple Support and its braindead easy while also being extremely powerful.
If you don’t know what GOATs is, here is you go:
GOATs was/is a Open Division/Contenders Trials (Tier 3) level team. They competed in the Beat Invitation back in May (28-29th). They were sent to the loser’s bracket by Envision (now picked up by Team Envy/Dallas Fuel). After being sent to the loser’s bracket, GOATs decided to run 3 tanks and 3 supports, more specifically, Reinhardt-Zarya-D.Va-Moira-Lucio-Brigitte. The second GOATs picked this composition, they began winning, winning 11 strait maps and eventaully the tournament, even though the tournament had Contenders teams in it. Thus, the “GOATs comp” was born.
So, why is this an issue?
Basically, this comp is hilariously easy and while it is counterable, it requires way more effort to counter than to run it yourself. That means that essentially any time GOATs gets run below OWL, the game turns into an instant stomp an the GOATs team often wins immediately. In the Tier 3 scene, being a “GOATs team” is an insult, as the comp is simply very easy to get results with.
The comp is honestly just an embarrassment to the competitive scene. It undermines the competitive integrity of the game by being way too easy for way too much value.
Please, this comp has to go.
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Alright bud, since you seem like the type to be all bark and no bite, what should actually be done? Throw out some changes. Don’t just complain and leave it all up to Blizzard because I know for a fact that you’d come back and whine about how they didn’t patch it exactly how you wanted.
Go for it, the floor is yours. I’ll wait.
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Buff Bastion. GIve him less spread and HS added back.
Make his damage lethal again, because it’s painfully obvious that barrier busting didn’t even work as far back as Triple Tank.
Give Hog his 33% damage back.
3DM is now back to 2DM, where projectiles have to travel X distance in her DM to get destroyed.
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He gets DMd and the team focuses him down before the DM runs out. Problem solved, Bastion isn’t a threat anymore.
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Obviously, the issue is Brigitte. Unfortunately, I really doubt Blizzard is going to make an serious adjustments to her.
Just to make a suggestion though, make Rally require some sort of Flail hit. That way Rally will be much more spammable and it won’t be usable before a fight starts.
That being said, something more is probably necessary as well. A cut to Inspire’s duration would help, making Brigitte more spammable as well. This could be compensated for with an increase to Inspire’s HPS, but I doubt it would be necessary.
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Still not a problem at all, she just wouldn’t barrel stuff him.
That doesn’t solve the issue at all. If D.Va is in melee range, Bastion has been shield bashed, pinned and melted by Zarya. He is long dead.
dumb idea… hog will just replace DVA
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Not if he can setup space with his damage. Bastion isn’t just about killing, it’s about controling space. As it stands currently, he cannot control space because his damage is taken with a grain of salt.
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I think you should think about what you’re actually trying to suggest before you suggest it. If you dont understand what I’m saying then you don’t understand what you’re saying either.
No, It just wouldn’t do anything. D.Va is an essential piece to the GOATs composition. If anything, Quad Tank would become more popular (though I doubt it).
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Pick Pharah + Junkrat and get ult in 20 seconds. Pick Mei and split them with your wall. Pick Mercy + Zen and use discord orb + damage boost + focus fire to burn Lucio or Moira. Pick Symmetra + Bastion to burn through them while avoiding death. There are many preety easy ways to counter GOATS.
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I already have, after 80 hours I’ve seen every tank comp roll Bastion.
It’s obvious that you haven’t even put 2 seconds of though into what I said.
Ad for what you said.
You mean shoot her rockets at him? You mean that trash damage since there isn’t any follow up?
Gee, real smart.
I don’t think Pharah would work against Goats, wouldn’t she lack the damage to be effective ?
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Except GOATs has a Speed Boost, DM, a Stun, two bubbles, a Reinhardt shield, Moira healing, a Brigitte shield, and even a pin if Reinhardt gets impatient. If Bastion sets up on the low ground at all, he will die instantly without exception.
If you’re on the high ground, GOATs will just LoS you as Bastion is immobile.
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whats your point.
you are offering a suggestion to stop trip[le tank triple support by buffing a tank.
hog will just replace dva as off tank
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