Like it’s been so many seasons of the same support hero dominating the game. I’m so so so so so tired of Bap doing the most healing in the support role while also outputting as much damage as most DPS while also having IF on CD while also having self mobility and self healing …
I don’t know how else to put it but I feel like everyone is tired of it too and it’s just been … ? radio silence from the balancing team?
Moira will never be useful when Bap does her job of dumping out AoE healing better than her AND has better damage and insane utility. It doesn’t matter how many buffs you give her if she has to compete with that monster.
Nerf his healing. Nerf his damage. Someone can’t be well rounded AND the best at everything. He has THE BEST healing in the support role. On average. He has the SECOND best damage, second only to Zen. Yet his is hitscan and more reliable and if he wasn’t healing all game he’d probably be outdamaging him on average too.
And don’t even get me started on IF…it’s such a gross ability, you just throw it at your feet and deny so much value, but if Bap didn’t heal and damage so much it wouldn’t be as offensive IMO
And if they wanna nerf Tracer, Brig, and Hog while they are at it…well there will be no complaints from me.
Like I am SO so so so so so tired of playing against a Bap who just spams his buttons and gets more value than every other person in the game. And then I swap to him and do the same. It’s BORING
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Bap doesn’t need nerfs. I’ve got 10 hours on him in quickplay, I would know.
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Bait out his lamp, then dive him
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What he needs is IF deleting and replacing with something that doesn’t break the flow of the game and reactively prevent mistakes being punished.
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It barely breaks the flow.
If you cant shoot a stationary object which most hitscan and dps can destroy under 3 seconds, thats your problem
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Bap placing lamp around a corner.
Bap buying his tank a second or 2 after they overextend is massive when you also remember that he can 0-full hp heal so quickly.
Good Baps won’t use IF until the moment the critical damage/ult is about to hit. There is no destroying it as the moment has now passed.
It allows aggression that would otherwise be feeding.
It limits when ults can be used. In this game whichever team ults first tends to win. Bap gets value by not even using IF because the other team can’t use ults as freely.
It prevents punishing lack of awareness. A second or 2 is enormous if someone gets flanked.
Etc.
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You know, this is why there are flank characters in the game
Your team are very bad if you cant kill a overextending tank
This is why baiting it out by using one ult, then using your main, team wipe ult is a good strat
After the lamp is destroyed, most players that are still in the zone of the enemy will be low hp
No it doesnt. You just need to be patient and track his lamp like an ult
Again, no, you can flank him or track when he last used it
No, it doesnt, lack of awareness will never be 100% saved by lamp.
I would suggest you learn how to play against baptiste more, because you obviously dont know
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“Just use an ult so they use an ability”
Just impossible to take seriously.
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You do realise that using one ult against lamp typically creates weaker targets for you to clean up
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You do realise that you’re arguing that needing to use 2 ults to win a fight instead of 1 is somehow balanced. All because of an ability.
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Most team fights are won with 2 ults anyways
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Dontcha know, balance has to wait until OW2, as it has been decreed.
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Winning fights by using less ults is extremely important and allows for snowballing. How are you not understanding this?
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Dude, I understand perfectly what snowballing is.
But on average, two ults are used to win a team fight, normally a support ult and a dps/tank ult
Nerf Mercy, Ana too. There’s way too much sustain in this game.
This game would be so much better if they got rid of rez, immortality and nerfed nano.
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Ok, dude, so you gonna love it when there are no tank or support players anymore, and create OWCOD?
That isnt what OW is meant to be.
Go play valorant if thats your style
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It’s soooooo annoying 
Like if we’re going to be forced to play this game until OW2 comes out…at some point…maybe next year? who knows 
Then they could at least not leave us with this crap and literally no balance changes.
Then again, any changes they’ve made somewhat recently (because any proper balance changes haven’t been done in forever) have been extremely…terrible. Terrible. They’re too scared to full on change things and rework heroes, it’s really frustrating.
Have they sorted any of this out with 5v5 & the hero reworks for OW2? Well we don’t know!! because we don’t get told anything.
sigh
I think I seriously need to stay away from this game 
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There’s probably a 2% he gets changed before OW2
And of that 2% chance, there’s a 2% it’s an actual meaningful change that addresses his issue
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Yep, nerf sigma and hog while you’re at it too if there’s actually going to be a balance patch.
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Bapo doesn’t need any nerfing. He’s an excellent healer every team should have. If anything we should bring Mercy back up to 60hps, have the Moira nerfs reverted, give Lucio something in his kit that would help him be a better healer so he’d work in other comps besides Rush and that’s about it. With just that and some buffs to the tank role and some nerfs and buffs in the DPS role the game could be entirely different and Bapo’s spot in it would be way less heavy. He just happens to fit into the current state of the game way better than any other healer really does, unless you are a highest tiered scrim team in which case you’re still playing Zen/Brig most of the time anyways
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