Slow firing, Slow moving, Low DPS and massively inconsistent

General Discussion
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Hanzo’s current balance state is appalling

His primary fire is hilariously bad. Hanzo in his current balance state is getting more value from Storm arrows throughout a match that his primary.

The nerfs in theory are not that bad, especially considering Hanzo is a sniper and can now 1-shot again. Smaller projectiles, longer charge time to gain the ability to 1-shot, which would put him more in-line with Widowmaker.

The problem is that in reality, he is not more in line with Widowmaker. Her primary is grossly more powerful than Hanzo’s in every aspect.

Charge rate
Widowmaker - 0.9 seconds to fully charge. 0.5 seconds recovery.
Hanzo - 0.87 seconds to fully charge. 0.5 seconds recovery.

The devs are missing one crucial detail, Widow also receives a 2.5 multiplier on headshots, which means her damage scales 25% faster and higher than Hanzo. Her headshot DPS is strictly better.

Projectile size
Widowmaker: 0.05
Hanzo: 0.1

Because of the season 9 changes and now Hanzo having the smallest projectiles in the game, the size difference between hit-scan and projectile has been dramatically reduced.

Speed
Widowmaker: hit-scan
Hanzo: 110m/s

Hanzo’s arrows are not even that fast, they are slower than Mei’s, Ana’s and Sojourn’s projectiles and also have drop.

Conclusion: The direction they are taking Hanzo would be fine if he had the consistency to back it up. Sadly his current state makes him one of the most inconsistent heroes in the game.

His primary right now is disgustingly bad, I legitmately think he might be the worse hero in the game game right now. His only saving grace is the existence of Storm arrows, which are making up over 66% of my kills, even then stat wise he has fallen off a cliff.

Storm arrows need to be nerfed and the devs need to stop smoking whatever they are having when they balance Hanzo.

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Widowmaker has been 0.05m since early this year

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Was that part of the global projectile size nerf or just Widow?

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Her and soldier were both nerfed to 0.05 within a few weeks of the s9 patch.

I agree widow is the better hero than hanzo, and his primary feels bad. But it’s half the hitbox.

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Widow has a bigger Headhitbox then Hanzo.

She needs to Scope in order to use the Sniper, which makes her basically stationary with the -67% movementpenalty (Hanzo has a maximum of -30%).

And the rest of Widows kit is very bad. 200hp, 15 sec CD of VM, a Joke of a SMG, a Ult that only gives Intel and a good Mobility option which is on the longest CD for such a ability in the game.

Hanzo has Stormarrows, 225 hp, Wallclimb (Passiv) and Lunge (while not great they do not have a significant downtime) a Ult that can zone and kill and a mini Widow-ult on 12 sec CD.

Could he use some love? maybe. Slow down the Dragons again (or let them destroy Deployables), weaken Stormarrows in turn of a Speedbuff for the normal ones. But overall has he a stronger kit and he is not a free kill upclose like Widow.

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My hansbow is working well atmost i would want charge rate reverted.

Maybe nerf storm.

That’s it.

He is the same as before.

Is current widow better than him absolutely, I got 69% scope accuracy today :joy:

I think i have peaked :joy:

She needs her aimbox reverted as well.

Apart from that nothing much.

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What is your current win-rate with Hanzo over the last 10 games?

Mine has fallen off a cliff edge. Sitting on 30% win-rate, seems to be a similar story with Streamers as well. Arrge stopped playing after a losing streak as well.

I have never found it this hard to win games with him.

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I have to check but it should be more or less the same as before was around 51%, most losses weren’t cause of my hansbow failure but team brain :brain:

I haven’t really struggled hitting things , been able to remove spider and pharah.

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The thing is, as much as I would love for hanzo to be more useful because I absolutely feel for hanzo players, he used to be my main dps in ow1 whenever I wasn’t just otping doom… the game has felt so much better, with less one shots.

If we’re going to be allowing him to one shot, with a better fire rate, better movement, whatever. Something needs to be weaker. Hell, storm arrow needs to shoot out like 3-4 arrows only for less damage. SOMETHING.

Or hell, rework hanzo and widow these heroes are fundamentally problematic for the game when they have one shots just tied in to their primary fires lmao.

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Storm can totally take nerfs for buffs in other areas

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The current change made him need more time to cook in some dmg, while last patch stupidly nerfed his hp. That’s the main issue.

I would actually bet that giving him back 25 hp would make it feel a lot better and somewhat close to 50% winrate for most higher rank hanzo players.

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Yer that is the opposite of my experience so far, good to hear some players aren’t suffering that bad.

Although 51% would suggest that the changes had zero impact on you whatsoever as that would be your global winrate. All players should have around 50% winrate if they are in the correct rank.

Seems odd.

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Cause i didn’t play him much once they destroyed him , other than to see how much they butchered him from patch to patch.

It’s also why I’m more in tune with old projectile size.

The one main issue is the charge change sometimes when you want to do a quick primary as follow up it throws out wet noodles.

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That is exactly the problem. They charge 20% slower, taking any sort of engagement without Storm arrows being up feels like a death sentence. The DPS is now around 90, Mercy is 100 for comparison.

You either land the 1-shot or die, you simply don’t have the DPS output to actually fight any other hero especially considering his healthpool is lower.

If we compare this to season 8 balance, it would be like if the devs nerfs his HP to 175, made them fire 20% slower and then buffed everyone elses projectile/hitscan size as well.

Either he was stupidly OP in season 8 or his relative strenght to other heroes has massively decreased.

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If I miss and don’t have storm i will runaway :hugs:

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Should hanzo be another 275 hero? Idk I don’t play him. I just popped in here cause I saw the title and thought it was about sym orbs

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He is also then one of the worst heroes at running away.

How far can you run when a Dva is rocketing towards you?

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Eh no he’s fine. The one shot on 250 hp heroes is huge and I think the fire rate nerf is acceptable. Messed wit my muscle memory but took a couple of hours of quick play to get it right

Most importantly being able to snipe targets like Ashe, Zen or Ana is more than enough for me. Hanzo isn’t amazing or better than s8 hanzo by any means but he still has his gigabuffed storm arrows so if they wanna nerf or get rid of those, maybe we can give his fire rate back

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I will dash out as soon as it misses before dva can even look at me.

A lot of hanzo power is being a stealth assassin, what s9 changes did was put us in main fights like soldier and mercy pocket.

Now we have to go back to old ways of sneak attack and escape

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How do people even suggest nerfing storm arrow?

Anything beyond increasing its cooldown makes the ability worthless.

At this point we are gonna have to wait for bliz to gather data after the recent changes because they are being very careful in buffing Hanzo. But Hanzo does need something else, be it a better ult (the last buff was so pointless) or more HP.