Silver and Gold Hell

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I’ve been in Masters with my main account which is perma banned for lots of trash talking and let me say this. I can see why people are stuck in these ranks, especially as a Support. As a Support, I can only heal so much. I can only do so much. At this rate, I’ll more likely hit Bronze before Gold and then Plat then to Diamond and Masters.

There are way too many bad plays to count. Pushing when you shouldn’t. Horrible positioning, no counters, just zero swaps. Secondary Support think they’re solo. Lots of Anas and Baptistes DPS’ing when there are clear, line of sight heroes, that need heals, especially if your secondary Support is dead. People don’t fall back. There is no peeling. People are everywhere.

This is literally Quick Play but worse and Quick Play is bad.

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Somebody has to fill those slots. If all the bronzes left, the whole ladder would shift down a peg, for example. There is nothing wrong with being low rank, most players are.

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You can spot the good matches, where you know some people don’t belong down there. Then you can REALLY spot the matches where they should be down there. The latter is more often and it’s so bad. The teamplay and just generally basic things are BETTER in QP than these ranks. No lie.

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True, I do often wonder how I can be the same rank as some of these people. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong.

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Im pretty comfortable on supp in diamond and I don’t have issues anywhere low plat or under. What exactly gives you trouble finding value against them?

If it really is just the feeling of not being able to heal enough, ez solution, leverage your masters player mechanics and end the duels or fights early

surely your situation isn’t that straightforward?

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The teamplay just isn’t there. Everyone is just playing by themselves pretty much. You’ll come across a rare game where people actually work together. This is not an exaggeration.

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I get that but wheres the issue finding value as peak masters? Being able to scrap it out and punish mistakes solo is super op in these late ow seasons, esp if you’re effectively against people over 1k sr lower. The prevalence of scrappy dm like lobbies should be opportunity not an obstacle

the way I look at it is, Enable them if they make it worth your time, but don’t rely on teamwork, cuz these late-ow seasons are poop

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A Masters stuck in Silver on a brand new account and even dropping further? Yeah I highly doubt you were actually Masters…

Dont blame your team when you are “supposedly 3 ranks higher than them” and can literally HARDcarry them on support.

Funny how you mention heals and not damage and offensive utility usage. Another reason I highly doubt you were Masters.

A masters playing in silver/gold/plat, should be FARMING everybody, but since you cant, it just proves my point.

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This is good advice. I try to look at every obstacle as an opportunity to improve. TBH, finding little ways to overcome things is a big reason I am so hooked on this game.

I still hate KotH maps, but I’m trying to find things about them that I can use to my advantage, so it isn’t a total waste whenever one pops up, because there is only going to be more chance of getting them next month.

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Should probably have clarified that it was Masters when Brig was busted and before her nerf.

I mean, people are easy to kill down here with a Moira but the team just crumbles. Even with a Brig but the Brig relies on a secondary and secondary doesn’t exist down here.

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BRUH NO WAY :skull:

Why would you even include in the OP that you were Masters on your main account? That is extremely misleading and makes people think: “How is this masters player stuck in silver??” When in reality its just a silver/gold player.

Watch moira unranked to GM to see how they do it properly

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When your secondary healer isn’t healing. When the DPS just wants to run in a straight line. When your tanks W key into a full enemy team with both healers dead and no one near them, it’s hard to win fights. It’s like this almost every game. I can only orb and right click people so much. I can only heal so much.

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Moira isn’t bad but the issue I sometimes have with her is that she can’t really force kills, she can force engages but her kills are pretty much just timers and you can’t really speed them up by aiming better etc. Like your primary fire is always gonna do a fixed amt of dmg, so is the orb, and so the opportunities to get quick kills can be iffy unless you charge Kamehameha really fast and laserbeam people down. All of this being opposed to someone like Baptiste, because he’s really the bar the competition is set at with how busted he is in ow1

To some extent that’s also one of the problems I have with brig in more deathmatchy lobbies, she’s super good if you can enable with her, but she can’t “force” the win if that makes sense. I like playing her but I feel pressured to switch to kill things myself a lot

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Yeah, can’t really do much more damage with Moira than that set amount and it’s a frustrating part because my aim is absolute garbage with Ana and Baptiste. Even did come across a blatant Baptiste aimbotter lol.

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You have the absolute wrong mindset, you are putting the blame on your teammates instead of seeing what YOU can do better. And no, those games are NOT impossible, if it were, I wouldn’t be able to win those with ease.

What matters is YOUR performance

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Yeah man, it’s my performance that dictates these bananas on my team W keys into a full enemy team by themselves and another number of issues. I can only do so much, the rest is out of my hands. Maybe if Mei can give me her gun when I’m Mercy, things would be different.

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If you want to climb, stop this constant coping and put matters into YOUR own hands.

Stop forcing Mercy and play to make an impact, stop relying and expecting your team to do all the work. STAND UP AND FIGHT

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As someone who legit grinded my way out of Bronze, Silver and got as far as high Gold, yeah, it’s quite hellish down here.

But,

the skill difference with a Platinum Player versus a Gold Player is WIDE and unmistakable. Can you imagine the skill difference if a Masters Player were in Silver/Gold? It doesn’t matter what role you play. Skill is skill and that difference is UNMISTAKABLE.

With that being said,

if you were really in Masters, climbing out really wouldn’t be that much of a problem as you’re alluding to.

I say this as a current high Gold Player (current SR as of time of this reply is Open Queue 2422sr, Role Queue: 1833 ) being matched up in low Platinum lobbies in my Competitive Open Queue.

Sure, I’m keeping up with them and, yeah, I’m tearing a lot of them apart (i think i really did get better b/c i’m sort of surprising/impressing myself at how i’m doing), but I find myself using up much more chakra for my Sharingan compared to before, which is most likely due to the fact that I’m playing against better skilled opponents and…it’s quite thrilling. I’m not trying to say that I deserve to be in Platinum. I don’t think so. At least, not yet. I still have very bad habits that will easily get punished up there. Anyway,

What I’m trying to say is, the grind is very difficult, long and arduous, but still possible.

Experiencing first hand the difference in skill is truly an eye opener.

Anyway 2x,

Here’s a Bro tip free of charge: If you’re a support Player trying to climb out, discern as fast as you can who the best player/teammate is on your team (doesn’t matter what role) and stick to him/her like sushi on rice. Semi-pocket that Player. What it looks like is: you pocket your buddy, but when necessary go and heal the rest of your team (don’t forget to top them off before you leave them) and then quickly revert BACK to your buddy as your default. Rinse and repeat.

Get used to doing this. Make it a baseline for your own performance and then what will happen is, you’ll begin to be able to juxtapose your own performance in-game and notice something off more often than not. You’ll begin to see even more opportunities to bring in even MORE value because you’ve got your own developed performance baseline, to which, you should be intimate with. If you don’t have that…than I’d surmise that you’re just aimlessly Playing your support role and ‘think’ you’re contributing.

Sure, you may be contributing as is every other Player, but the question to be asking is: Are you EFFECTIVELY contributing?

Huge difference. Just like skill has a difference.

GLHF~ See you on the field

And if I do, you shall see how I put Arrow into Face ;0)

nothing personal, just busines…i mean,

just Overwatch.

woof. WoooF. AhhWoOoOoOOOooooOOoOoOooo~~~~

-Bro (Hanzo)

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Absolutely no way this guy was in Masters, and is currently stuck in Silver and/or falling to Bronze.

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Please stop with this sorry BS already. Gets insanely tiring seeing this crap over the years. People pretend like horrible players aren’t the majority of people infesting these games and ruining people’s time. It’s always supposed to be “you”. Can’t possibly be the majority of the playerbase.

How do you expect the players in lower ranks who have actually grown to be good players to get out of those ranks before the death of the universe when the likelihood their team will be filled with bad players every single game is through the roof. And then you’re told “Well if you’re so good you should carry the team”

Every hero has a carry cap. For example, IDC how good you are as healer as Mercy you’re not overcoming the inability for your DPS to aim to kill anything, you’re just prolonging the inevitable.

You can only make so much of a difference in your games in so many ways because the variables of every game change so much depending on team comp and skill where some games, with that in mind, you can play like a machine and still not be able to make the impact necessary to get a win.

OW2 needs that ranked reset. Good players stuck in actual ELO hell need a chance to have the slate wiped.

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