Sigma AND Dual-Maintanks needs nerfs, undeniable proof

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1. Sigma does more damage than 75% of the DPS heros, 5th highest overall in game.

And the only heros who beat him are the usual ones, Bastion, Junk, Pharah, and Torb. For a main tank, this is too much.

2. He does more damage than Hog and Zarya, even Dva. Hmm.

This is why dual-main tanks are far more effective than a main tank PLUS off-tank.

3. His barrier is low-skill, with the ability to be spammed.

Orisa at least has a CD on her barrier, and Rein is limited by range, yet Sigma has the best of both worlds with the drawbacks of none. He can send and recall it at will, where the only punishment it takes is if it gets destroyed, which is unlikely that it will since it can be easily recalled.

Meanwhile he has an ability to gain shields, so when his barrier DOES break, he has this to rely on.

4. His ult.

Wowwie this does too much damage.

50 damage on the lift, 50% of max health on the slam. This means 50 damage needs to be done before or during the flux to kill a squishy.

Plus the 50% max health on the slam destroys tanks. This is a CC+Damage ult, which is unlike Rein or Orisa. Itā€™s both combined, into a monster that really cannot be countered. Does that mean every flux will be a teamwipe? No, but itā€™s enough to bypass barriers and require a support counter-ult. Compare that to Shatter which can be blocked with barriers and CC, where the lethality comes from the followup, and B0ngo requires LoS with the team.

Whenever I play tank, which is a lot, this is the ult I die to the most, because there is such poor counterplay to it.

What can be done about Sigma and Dual-Maintanks?

  • Since 2-2-2 is added, add further restrictions. NO dual main tanks, and NO dual main heals. This prevents teams with too much healing and too many shields, thus causing a problem because of the power creep.
    • This can even be applied to sub-niches within the DPS, so no 2 flankers, no 2 tankbusters, etc.
  • The modifier on Sigmaā€™s ult should be 25%, not 50.
  • When Sigma drops his barrier, he gets a 2s CD before he can send it out again.

Inb4 people just whine and say Iā€™m salty because he killed me, with 0 evidence. sigh I wish those people would use more than 2 braincells to counter an argument.

For those who ask:

https://www.overbuff.com/heroes

(and Overbuff is accurate because the sample size is still large enough to gather data from, much like how a survery doesnā€™t need to survey 100% of a population or else itā€™s inaccurate.)

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Okay whereā€™s yours, I donā€™t see any links. Overbuff has incomplete data sets.

Again, no links.

Again, no links.

Conjecture.

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Itā€™s still reliable.

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i rather they nerf his shield to 1000 health instead adding 2 sec cd to it

i dunno about his ult, its strong but its pretty high ult charge required

maybe make it cant kill anything, make it cannot go past 1 HP
it will still be 50% but now it will leave u with 1 hp instead of dying?

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Tell me a single statistic that uses complete data sets of multiple dozens of millions.
If you had any clue how statistics work you would know that overbuff is nearly as good as blizzard themself making statistics.

Just blocking shield tanks when there is already a shield tank picked would actually be a genius idea. But blizzard doesnt like first come first serve as far as I am aware.

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Yeah, Sigma is way too strong all across the board.

It needs to be figured out if heā€™s supposed to be a main tank (this is what I think), off tank, or some weird hybrid.

If he is a main tank heā€™s far too damaging for it.

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No, because I feel like that hurts him and makes him more of an off-tank, and not a main tank, which heā€™s suppose to be.

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no one cares about your skill

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yes just nerf the already least popular role because tanks should only be big easy targets that dps enjoy shooting for free cause huge hitboxes

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The only acceptable nerf for Sigma imo is his ult slam doing a fixed damage of 100. So it stays the same for squishies but isnā€™t a tankbuster too. Tanks are already the easiest targets to snare.

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Itā€™s not doing the tank class any favors to have a hero that is an absolute must-play, every game. I guess if you like Rein or Winston or WB or Dva you always just lose, right?

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I might be blind but I donā€™t see the proof.

Youā€™ve simply said what he can do (we all know what he can do) and posted a link to overbuff.

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check my nerf idea above, I specifically want Sigma to be slightly weaker at dealing with other tanks for this reason.

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I donā€™t think Sigmaā€™s ult is very much of his problem. The big one is double barrier, and that he has synergy with Orisa, rather than strong anti-synergy, like Reinhardt.

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rein winston wb and dva lose because they cant deal with dps powercreep. Sigma and orisa are the main duo right now because with all the tank nerfs and dps buffs theyre the only combo that can consistently deny dps powercreep on most maps.

As much as people cry about sigma and orisa ā€œusually dps mains who never touch the tank roleā€ i imagine a double sniper meta with oneshots everywhere would be far more toxic

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Ball and Rein were doing fine with DPS in basically the same state theyā€™re in now. Sigma is just far, far too good.

I played him on the PTR and it was immediately obvious that he was so strong he pretty much trivializes the entire rest of the team heā€™s on.

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Sigma more like Zarya fodder

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And it seems like no one cares that heā€™s clearly overtuned, regardless of skill.

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what, rein and ball had been pushed out of the meta by orisa hog well before sig came out. WB can still be used on some koth maps, but the second the enemy has a good mei or sombra its back to sigma orisa.

if u nerfed dps powercreep to before goats and reverted the armor nerfs, winston and dva would destroy sigma orisa comps due to there mobility.

RIght now mobility doesnt matter because the second they land to kill the supports weve got storm arrow, stun+fth, mei freeze, reaper shotguns, and a longer list of stuns and boops to punish them for trying to do there jobs

all nerfing sigma would do is make the tank role worse without addressing the actual problem of we have so much overkill damage and stun mechanics in the game that it takes 3500 shield to consistently deal with it all.

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Yeah, have fun shooting through all of Sigmaā€™s shield and all of Orisaā€™s shield with Zarya. Good luck.