Shadder2k's description of Brigitte is perfect

Precisely. Notice its only a problem when its a support. In all fairness, if I felt she was overpowered, I’d be all for a nerf or some sort of adjustment but from what I’ve seen thus far, as someone who tanks and heals, I wouldn’t even consider her that huge of an issue. It’s just that she was built to shake up the meta and therefore counters people like Tracer, Genji, and dive in general who have occupied a spot in almost all levels of play in some way, shape, or form. That has ruffled a lot of feathers.

Yes its going to be difficult to dive or play the staple flankers if your opponent has a Brigette guarding the back line. That is the whole point. I adore playing Mercy with an attentive Brig on the team. However I’ve had no issue dealing with her either as Mercy by keeping out of range and making sure to focus healing whoever she’s targeted until her cooldowns are spent or as Orisa by using my alternative fire to keep her at a distance and making her waste her CC when I’m immune before shredding her into nothing. As far as DPS go, Pharah, Junkrat, Soldier, and anyone with a bit of range on their abilities can deal with her so long as they don’t try to Leroy Jenkins the enemy frontline.

I actually find it rather funny how much she punishes people for not playing as a team or for refusing to adapt. Don’t swap off that flanker? You deserve that mace in your skull. Not peeling for your tank or keeping them healed? You deserve to get smashed around by the enemy when their shields fail and they inevitably die. The only unfortunate thing is that when flankers etc refuse to adjust, its the person on your team stuck as tank that is going to suffer the most. It can feel absolutely pointless to play Rein or even Orisa against a Brig and Doomfist combo if the rest of your team insists on not playing to counter them and support you but that isn’t the fault of the hero. That fault lies with the community.

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Don’t really need it to have an opinion whether or not an Hero is overpowered.

No, I’m not saying she (Brigitte) is OP, but even someone who never played Mercy (as an example) before her rework into a must-pick could see she was too strong.

Yeah, you can just parrot what “the pros” say like most of the board does.

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look at this point im sure me and you will never agree so i’m just gonna end this here with my simple opinion, she’s not op, she’s perfectly balanced.

Not at all, play for yourself and make your own case whether or not a hero is overpowered.

As I already said, you don’t need to sink a bunch of time into a hero to see that they may or may not be too strong.

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Or, maybe you just pretend to ignore that I’m a flex player. I can’t play as snipers, Genji, Tracer, or McCree, but other than them, I can play as ANYONE and do fairly decent.

What’s more, I’m not ‘abusing’ Brigitte, I’m simply sick and tired of getting jumped on by Tracers and Genjis no matter who I play. I enjoy playing as Winston and Moira, simply because Genji can’t fight either of them, so of course, when there’s a chance that one character can make someone not play as characters that drive me insane, I’ll take it.

Longer distance, actually. Flashbang is 7 meters, Shield Bash is 5.

Really? It’s somehow risk-free to walk directly up to someone, with incredibly heavy footsteps and other audio cues, in addition to how it requires her shield be active?

Ridiculously overpadded, you mean. Not everyone gets the same results, so you can’t take anything like that seriously.

An oppressive hero is Tracer or Genji, seeing as how they have the mobility and lethality to take out most people before they even know what hit them. Rally is entirely different, seeing as how it’s only useful BEFORE or AFTER a team fight. The slowly-generating armor can’t make them much harder to kill than before, especially if your offense/defense cast is doing their job or is equipped with lots of burst damage. Even then, there are tons of ults that do the exact same thing, only on a far more realistic level.

All wrong, simply because they’re based entirely on unfounded assumptions? Whoever could’ve guessed?
-I have no bias, except when it concerns support players finally being allowed to do their jobs.
-Once again, I am a FLEX PLAYER. That means that I play whatever the team needs, and more than not, it means I play as tank and support heroes. I’ve played Soldier, Reaper, Junkrat, Sombra, and Torbjorn, not to mention Doomfist enough to be able to say I’ve had a taste of it all, I’m just often stuck playing supports and tanks because my team instantly locks into damage dealers.
-I’m not exploiting anything, I just wanna finally enjoy a game that doesn’t have a Tracer OR a Genji ruining everyone’s good time. Is that too much to ask?
-Not only will Brigitte NOT be nerfed, but even if she did, it wouldn’t happen right away. It’d likely take a month or two and actual data instead of false assumptions to analyze. Maybe by then, you’ll learn the definition of counterplay.

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The thing is, I’m more inclined to believe what a professional player has to say, than a random person on the forums.

I think it’s more hyperbolic to assume that everyone on here knows what they are talking about, instead of believing a pro player.

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Shield Bash… Track… :face_with_raised_eyebrow:
Is this some kind of joke?

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An opinion from a guy who is consistently in the top 100 on EU ladder. If Brigitte is as effective as he says in his ELO, and as well as in pro skirms, that’s a huge problem.

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Actually, you’ve made the assertion. You’re going to have to defend it.

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Wow! With your very first breath you insulted a wide range of players instead of defending why she is broken. Congrats! You failed to convey your point to anyone that doesn’t already agree with you, and you probably got a few to disagree with you on principle to! Good job! You failed at doing literally anything you set out to accomplish.:+1:

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Even a cursory understanding of the way of things would demonstrate that Twitch streamers are, in fact, not immune to hyperbole. This thread is case in point.

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This one of those guys who made the same spurious claims about Sombra?

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Of course they aren’t immune to hyperbole, no one is. However, if presented the opinion of a forum poster like you and me, or the opinion of legitimate pro player, I know which one I am more inclined to believe.

I guess I am just able to recognize when I know less about a topic than someone else lol

Emongg’s response when asked what to do as Brigitte after he was on a 3 or 4 game win streak playing her:

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And I suppose I’m just less willing to abandon my own experienced-based stance just because a streamer celebrity said something to the contrary.

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While very funny, its nothing substantial towards forming an argument, hyperbole is hyperbole.

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While on paper, she’s balanced, she needs to be rebalanced so she’s nowhere near as oppressive to play against.
I get in most situations, you can just play the ranged game, but you can’t do that if she just walks onto a point/objective, or flanks (which she can easily do, her sfx isn’t actually that loud to start with).
She’s entirely too oppressive for an objective-based game. If they just beef up her healing while toning down her crowd control slightly, and re-tune her ultimate to stack [a little] less, she’ll still have her overall kit untouched, while being less overbearing to confront or deal with.
At least, that’s my unbiased opinion.
The bias opinion is to delete her. Entirely. Phase her existence, memory, and footprints out of Overwatch.

It’s not forming an argument. It is just one of the many (I haven’t seen a single pro or high GM player say otherwise) experiences with Brigitte that they are relaying.

Their is no hyperbole, it is their experience.

Emongg is one of the most passive personalities about. If he thinks something is easy and says so on stream, that is rare. He doesn’t often go out of his way to get into hero debates.

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