I’m starting to think dive doesn’t have exactly the safest of dive supports available. When you look at what dive tanks get and can have it really comes down to stuff like brig, zen, ana, and mercy.
Ana is messed up by any shield and her immobility compared to the tanks.
Mercy needs to play too closely to her team and is super reliant upon them to stay alive that without something like Pharah target enemy mercy and you cripple dive.
Zen/Brig while super safe still require line of sight at some point from super far away and have low healing output overall.
The best supports against dive are Mercy, Lucio and Brig.
Most of the others are too susceptible to being overrun by dive.
Moira has more of a fighting chance, but she can also be destroyed by it if they play correctly and you don’t have a strong second healer to help her stay alive.
While Zen/Lucio was ran in OG dive, Zen was mainly used to have your team burn down a target faster. Not because he’s good against it, just with it. This also requires a good dive team who can focus Zen’s discord target and he is one of the team shot callers because of this.
Mercy can super jump and throw out Valkyrie if she is being dove too hard to survive without these tools.
I mean there’s only like seven supports, so listing four of them and saying those are the options available, it sounds like they do have already decent varieties of support. And, that’s what this all really is: variations of what kind of dive support the rest of the comp has to play around. Every comp is going to have its weaknesses that have to be considered, and thus far it’s seemed like dive comps have enough options to safely play around those weaknesses.
In particular I think you really underestimate Mercy’s range of support. She can very well be playing in effectively two places at once with proper GA use, going in and out with different available targets. Pharah is hardly necessary to take advantage of big GA jumps, any dive comp is most likely going to have someone you can get good range movements on. Personally speaking I think she’s the best dive support hero, she can keep up with anyone, provide just the support they need, and can do it all consistently and safely.
Also Lucio is certainly a great dive option, being able to boost crazy mobility and reposition key targets, he’s quite strong. He definitely requires some specific skills to pull off his max efficiency, but definitely a solid support for dive.
Lucio/Brig is a very good dive comp. Brig can easily “pocket” the DPS with repair packs, Lucio allows you to position better and faster on a dive target, Sound Barrier is a strong counter to large amounts of damage, and people SEVERELY underestimate the power of Rally.
I think we need new dive support hero
We only have lucio and maybe moira
Mercy’s GA is dependent on her teammates and can’t be used every time soo…
You generally want to Brigg/Moira, Brigg/Mercy or Lucio/Mercy against dive
But that’s just personal advice from me
Brig doesn´t require line of sight - Brig is suppose to dive with tank, if you have tank that could protect her as Brig. Mercy can be effective in dive, if you can superjump and glide above with no hitscans threats, but many tanks think that if they charge into the backline - Mercy will follow them into the hell. Nope. She can, but sometimes she can´t. Depends on situation. And Ana is only for those with good aim - Ana players should reconsider this sometimes…
If Mercy is more than 30m from her team in dive and can’t use GA, she’s playing WAY too safe for the comp she’s being ran in.
In dive, you have both super jump and Valkyrie to easily get in and out of dangerous situations while still helping your team in the enemy backline.
If multiple battles are going on at once, such as tanks attacking on the opposite side of the map as the DPS, Valkyrie allows you to easily support all of these battles at once.
What I feel you’d like is a character with something like a tracer blink, winston leap, genji swift strike, dva boosters, echo boost, etc. Something that is a 4-6 second cooldown that can be used to gain horizontal and vertical height in a single burst. This lets you be aggressive or evasive and flexible. From there tack on some strong single target healing and the ability for some reliable self defense.
Just imagine a healer that had genji’s swift strike (no dmg, 6 sec), deflect, wall climb, but they had ana’s rifle (60 hps, 60 dps).
It’s supposed to be Lucio and Mercy because they can follow the dive. Zenyatta, Ana, and Brig all get left behind and are vulnerable.