It’s simple really. Why not just make role que an option? not forced.
If ppl are so worried that they must have a 2-2-2 team then let them role que! but also let others continue joining normally if they don’t care. And yes! let both options play against each other.
I have a feeling they wont do this because 2-2-2 locked roles would get destroyed by normal mode where there are more options and freedoms to change classes.
So they are forcing role locks on teams to basically try to make matches more even when really they are becoming more stale and boring.
Edit: I mean if 2-2-2 is so great lets put it to the test! play all teams that don’t 2-2-2 and lets just see what happens!
I just want options not restrictions. that’s all. Role que is restricting gameplay.
Edit 2: I’m actually seeing some good arguments in this thread (Mitrovarr and Gal) for why they are doing it, but i’m still a bit upset about it.
Better yet, Role queue in comp. Quick match remains as normal and a new mode added that is Unranked that is QP but with roleque and a lobby that flips team sides like in Ranked, rather than being over at the end of a round.
Competitive is meant to be more strict on the Nature of the game competitively speaking and forcing balanced teams with ranks tied to the roll not the account mean games will be more competitive. Quickplay is not meant to be Unranked it is meant to be quickplay, what has been missing is an unranked mode where yo uhave the structure of ranked but without the risk to your rank tied to you playing.
Look, 2-2-2 had two reasons to exist. There’s the 5 dps throw teams. That’s valid. But more importantly, the devs could not balance teams with completely arbitrary hero picks. A lot of heroes synergize so strongly that a team of linked synergies was so strong nothing else could beat it (Goats). And the only way to avoid having that be the game’s only winning strategy was nerfing every hero in it so hard they’re completely useless in every other team comp. This is, ultimately, the more important reason for 2-2-2… and it doesn’t work if you can opt out of it.
this isn’t a matter of people wanting 2-2-2, as much as it’s a balance for the game.
future heroes means more of the same(snipers,shields). and to prevent the game from being broken from these comps 2-2-2 will be the way.
2-2-2 doesn’t fix whether a certain team comp is stronger than the others. Instead of having GOATs, we now have bunker, which is arguably worse than GOATs, that dominates both OWL and ladder
Well, they tried making it an option, they called that attempt “LFG”. It didn’t work.
And beside, 2-2-2 is not only for your team, but the opposing team. It’s equally frustrating playing against a team you’re just steamrolling, since your team is running a 2-2-2 comp, while the other is lol faff 6 DPS without any teamwork.
In any regards, 2-2-2 is coming, and not a moment too soon. Should have been implemented 3 years ago, but better late than never.
It happened near constantly in QP. But also, it was hard to avoid being pushed onto unwanted roles if you weren’t willing to let the team flop and die. I would be pushed onto tank again and again, every match sometimes. I would go six matches in a row without being able to play support. So while those teams did technically have a tank (most of them would be 1-3-2) you’re not seeing the hidden cost, i.e. my fun.
The fact that every single game would force me to either main tank or throw was completely ruining the game for me.
Bunker isn’t a real comp. Goats was 6 specific heroes, played in certain way, that beat literally everything else all of the time. Bunker is just a catchall for a team that uses Orisa as the main tank. You can still play any DPS and any support.
I mean when a comp can be anything from a Reaper-Mei brawlcomp to double sniper, it’s not a comp.
the enemy team runs Goats but you’re stuck on a 2-2-2?
It’s just not fun
Or like how I’ll go an entire day, waiting for a game that I can pick Genji and my team comp works for it
and when it finally happens the other team is playing 4 tanks
G f***ing G
Guess I’ll just flex onto Reaper
Let me clarify, it never really happened in Ranked play.
GOATs limited the use of DPS that could be played aside from Sombra, Bunker does that but for Tanks. In GOATs you can still play any Support as well as any Tank to the same extent that Bunker allows you to play DPS and Support.
I had to flex tank a fair amount in competitive. But also, I don’t play a lot of comp so QP is vastly more important to me. So I want 2-2-2 for QP, more than anything else.
You could NOT play any support in Goats. It was Brig, Lucio, and Zen. MAYBE you could play Moira instead of Zen, but it was worse and everyone knew it. The only flexing that every occurred into Goats was Doats with Winston instead of Rein, and Sombra Goats.
Bunker is literally every comp that has Orisa in it. You can play any DPS and any support. Baptiste is favored but not required, and the other support isn’t constrained at all. You don’t even have to play Roadhog, although he’s pretty strongly favored as well (you can do Ball Orisa or Dva Orisa for sure, and Sigma will be an option soon).
If you truly flexed, you would be against 2-2-2 since flexing is a play style and you sound Ike you fill instead. I don’t want 2-2-2 for QP more than anything else, so we are at an impasse.
You could switch supports quite nicely in GOATs. When Baptiste was introduced he was run with it as well. Ana was also another common pick. the Tanks were pretty swap-able as well, every tank beside Orisa wasn’t usable for the most part though Hog wasn’t that good as well.
The fact that the PTR has been up for so long and still doesn’t take long to find games is a testament that a significant amount of players do want it. Playing on live right now is a nightmare because so many people who legitimately care about the game, are on the PTR, for role queue. They are not there for sigma. They are not there for the balance changes. The PTR has never had such a sustained player count before for balance changes, nor for hero releases. Even if they had the option to queue for any role, it would not by any stretch of the word, be “destroyed” by it, especially considering how passionate the players supporting 2-2-2 are about it.
That’s fair, I can’t say anything to sway your opinion that they aren’t stale and boring. So all I’ll say here is, I disagree. I’m still seeing just as much variety as before. Knowing that they are limited to 2 tanks or 2 supports is also allowing me much more viable options ingame on the dps role, and knowing they only have two dps is giving me much more options as a tank. Can’t really speak for support, I’m a trash support.
The only “stale” thing about the PTR to me is that orisa + roadhog is still the best tank duo that you can play.
It’s unfortunate that they took so long to implement role queue. It’s even more unfortunate that it had to happen. Even if it is a great feature, so many people are used to playing without it. Had they launched the game with role queue, or implemented it within the first year, it wouldn’t be nearly as painful of a transition.