Role Q is built on a toxic philosophy, so it's failure

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Please read fully before engaging into a conversation. It’s like 1.5 minutes of reading down there.

2016, OW comes out with no limits. 5 monkeys jump on the cart, one bastion sits there, 5 bubbles, impossible to do anything, impossible to balance. So, they said “this is bad, let’s change it.” Were they correct? Absolutely

2019, they said, “too many dps, no tanks, no supports, lets change it.” Were they correct? Not fully because not ALL games were like this, but ok, fine.

So, who were the issue creators? The dps mains. But no, not just DPS player, but the type that is IMAHANZOGENJINEVERSWAP. <<<<---- this person singlehandedly caused the problem. So, what could we do?

  1. We could punish the IMAHANZOGENJINEVERWAP, lower exp, no lootbox or whatever.
  2. They could reward playing other roles like tanks and supports.
  3. They could put limit on the roles after open Q.
  4. They could reward the IMAHANZOGENJINEVERSWAP so they can HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP more.

Which one did they choose? OPTION 4. They made sure that HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP players can 100% be sure that they will HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP even MORE.

I don’t think the game was designed for these people. Like I am sorry, there’s a huge pool of heroes, you can change during the match, ALL HEROES ARE UNLOCKED and FREE. But you HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP, you are the problem.

And what did roleQ do? It made them happier, it created a system designed around toxic player archetype. Because this game is a team game. We are supposed to work together to achieve our goals. So, you are creating a lobby with 12 or 10 players, creating a gameplay where the better team wins, but you also encourage egotistical toxic player archetype. Why?

August 12, 2019. The world is a better place yet, because in August 13, roleQ will be implemented. So, at the time of August 12, there were two types of players.

  1. A team player. Swaps tanks, dps, support for the team to achieve win. Adapts to the team composition and is happy to play any role that helps the team to progress.
  2. IMAHANZOGENJINEVERSWAP.

To whom the roleQ benefited? For which player type it benefited? Yes, the toxic HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP. And now a player like me, who enjoyed swapping between tanks and supports, we got ignored and thrown back. We were put in a system where we have to serve HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP players.

If they could learn at least 1 tank. At least 1 support, the world would be a better place. HUGE hero pool, all of them are unlocked, FREE, can change during the match, but no, IMAHANZOGENJINEVER SWAP. Thank you blizzard for forcing others to serve me.

What are we doing here? Why are we creating systems that cater to the most toxic player archetype? It’s a team game, they must adapt, NOT US! We are team players, we are good players, they are not, but you are serving them.

You might say, “oh it’s the biggest audience, everyone plays dps, so they have to cater them” BROTHER NO. It’s like if your country’s 80% population is drug addict, do you cater them?

Here’s the ultimate solution that everyone sees (except the HANZOGENJINEVERSWAP 5V5 ENJOYERS).

  1. 6v6 OpenQ
  2. Role limits. Role limit can be applied in game (already 2 tanks, can’t pick) or (you played too much dps recently, can’t pick dps now).
  3. Reward tank and support players, discourage IMAHANZBOIGOSCATTERBRRR playstyle.

Now you might say, “but I am the hanzo genji never swap, I don’t want to adapt and be a team player.” Then why do you play a *yells TEAM BASED TACTICAL game? Why don’t you go to CS go or valorant? I tell you why, because there nobody serves you. Because there’s no toxic roleQ that guarantees you a tank and a support.

A brief list of issues that roleQ caused.

  1. Long queue times
  2. 5v5
  3. Boring gameplay loop
  4. Limit on hero design
  5. Tank shortage

Mic drop.

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Nah I’m good on that. I don’t want to play with 5 other DPS, but I also don’t want to be forced to play Tank and Support if I don’t want to play Tank and Support.

Counter-swapping is also not the wave.

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yes; reward me bc im a hammond main and tanking is good

:hamster:

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I agree with a ton here.

The toxic attitudes that remain so relevent today in a culture that is cultuvated and grown for toxic behavior thrives right now. Yet ever so slowly they are eating themselces.

The promotion of such toxic behavior that decreased atch quality rejects very nature and design of our game. Troublesome dps kitsthat never got addressed.

Which forced tanks and supports to get super buffed or designed with ridiculous kits just to survive.

Dps players are the problem. We need to address this. Pull the root Blizzard. We cannot regrow if we don’t stem the weeds.

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You do not have to serve me. It’s just in your best interest.

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They implemented hero lock in ranked when the game launched.

You’re leaving out how oppressive GOATS-style comps were at the time, likely to skew your argument that dps players were the problem rather than part of the problem.

As for the rest of your post, it’s just a collection of complete lunacy. There’s nothing more to discuss here.

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Lil bro contradicts and makes super bad faith arguments right from the get go. Get out. RQ is here to stay because it’s the only plausible healthy system for the game. OQ is simply way too flawed from both sides; having GOATS comps roll and smoke everyone while sometimes players just decide to be obtuse, asinine and unfair and out of nothing but spiteful personal preferences go full DPS comps while that one reasonable dude trying to play properly for a win is just left there with a pikachu face

There isn’t simply any way that OQ could be the main format of the game because it doesn’t work with the general playerbase since they’re such obtuse simpletons. The only way to make things work around them is to entirely cut off their chance of sabotaging the game and making the gameplay painful just from heropicks alone. Not to mention the balance problems no limitations had. It doesn’t work

You wanna play and like OQ? Shut up and go play OQ. It’s in the game. It is playable. You can go there and play with the dozens of other players that like the format. Stop whining and being a nuisance to the rest of the entire playerbase. They couldn’t care less. It’s just toxic to everyone to keep foaming about this nonsense

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Lol… that entire essay of bull$#it and you ignore the existence of the biggest one tricks that ruined the game.

Mercy mains.

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role q is toxic cause it was created for people who didnt want to put the effort to build a team, be in voice chat, be flexible to team demands [when i say flexible it means an actual need not one were people demand ]

instead of improving lfg system and making a clansystem on top with clan wars and telling people who whined to go use it blizzard caved in and made a pandering system for low effort whiners.

this is why rq is such a bad system.

next let me be clear 2-2-2 is not a necessity, teams did well in asynchronus comps too.

it was always more fun beating up vanilla basic 2-2-2 ers with asynchronous comps.

next its not dps mains or certain hero mains alone, its just dps is more popular role with more heroes and more identifiable ones, like people are more likely to main genji tracer widow hanzo cree than say orissa.

there is a reason rein and dva mercy are popular they have great personality with good kit

honestly if they made actual proper tanks like dva rein tank would have been popular.
instead of borissa and sleepma.

i dont think they have ever hit close to dva or rein design after that with tanks, closest is jq but she is still far, and obviously doomfist cause he was stolen from dps.

the reason rein dva are popular is they were made first and then fit in.
i want a glorious knight with hammer, a mecha power ranger etc.

any way back to topic, ya those people are there in all roles but dps is popular and has more players.

eitherway ya rq was a bad system designed in response to low effort players.

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no mercy was the best , what we needed was more heroes like mercy in other roles especially tank and one tricking is not a crime whether its tracer genji dva or mercy or lucio.

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I think a big part of why there’s so many DPS players is that they have more heroes. More variety and “simpler” gameplay

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it was never a problem from diamond and below and i didnt even see it much at low masters, it was always a gm issue and at most you could have solved it with tank limit and taking the kraken down faster.

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Role q doesnt exist caus of “toxic” dps players(ur definition of toxic is braindead btw) it exists cause there are roles who are much stronger than others cause blizz cant balance their game
And dats it, what are u smoothnrained crybabies gon blame on dps players next? “Goats was a problem cause of dps players!”
" global warming is the dps players fault!"
Just shut up

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Punish people for playing their favorite heroes?
Do people forget that this is a video game?

They are doing that right now with the daily and weekly challenges, and it’s working poorly. You simply cannot artificially make players queue for roles they do not like. This will only lead to a lowering of match quality.

Overwatch has three roles and dozens of playstyles. The correct thing to do is to make every role and playstyle viable and enjoyable.

Also a recipe for failure.
“I am forced to play support as a DPS main, just because other people were faster than me in the hero selection screen.”
What a great experience.

Not everyone is meant to be a flex player. You cannot dictate how people want to play the game.
If flexing were the most enjoyable thing to do, you would see most people queuing for flex queue. But that is not what happens in reality.

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Nop, in plat and gold teams lost one fight and switched to goats then everyone on the other team cied “we need to switch to goats”
Sure at the start it was only gm but by the end even my friends in silver complained bout goats

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which region were you playing and platform, for me on sg pc like people would try from time to time but mostly would swap of by the match end.

most panic strats were kings row last point defence etc you would see them but fall apart anyway.

also see on one hand op is saying it was cause of all genji hanzo players, and you are saying teams were swapping to goats and im saying something else :stuck_out_tongue:

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Eu pc
The problem was goats, thinking that it was anything else is braindead. Role q in no way shape or form stopped or couldve stopped ppl from insta locking genji, in fact it made easier for them cause no more goats
U said it was only a problem in gm but it was a problem for eu even in silver.
U ever tried to 6 stack?i used to a lot
Bunch of friends just playing what they like so we dont have to hear crybabies like op cry on coms, 1 in 3 matches was against goats.it means 1 3rd of the matches we either had to play a comp no one enjoyed or be stomped it was just opressive.and thats why role q happened, they could not balance their way out of an opressive meta,sure in sg low lvl players hadnt caught on yet but if some ppl started playing goats in low elo then soon everyone would or they would be stomped, so they introduced role q
Dps players dont care if its 5 dps vs goats, we care that goats is literally unbeatable by anything other than goats

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Nah. It wouldn’t matter. People somehow find ways to complain about even Reinhardt. The hero you can quite literally walk backwards to avoid. Let’s not pretend our community is reasonable. It’s not. The developers have absolutely no way of winning. It’s not fair to pretend otherwise.

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Youll never stop the otp never swap playstyle sadly they just dont want to be a team player in a team game. Role Que/Limits, OQ wont make a differwnce to them

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im purely talking about hero popularity, overwatch is about heroes, heroes like rein dva pull in certain audience and players which is why they remain popular, popular among who want to tank or not even that they play tank cause they like these heroes like doomfist, how many doomfist mains do you think played tank before this.

that’s what im getting at when i mean popularity, most players playing borissa or sleepma arent booting up cause of wanting to play them, but they are just tank mains who will play whatever work those are more into tanking.

but remove rein dva doomfist tommorow see how many of them play other tank heroes ?

you need such heroes to make the role strong, especially a role as unpopular as tanking should have more of those to have the pull.

will other complain about dva rein etc obviously gamers are always whiny that doesnt matter.

what you want is strong cult following heroes in each section of heroes.

the reason dps and support is strong is due to genji widow cassidy hanzo tracer junkrat , mercy ana lucio kiri etc these heroes have that pull

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