Roadhog right now is the worst tank in the game, they dont want to buff his TaB because they are scared he will become unkillable again. And they dont want to buff his damage since he will get his one shot back. So at this point the only solution is to revert him. Every other tank is so good compared to him. His one shot was his bread and butter and without it hes nothing. He would be balanced nowadays with how broken tanks have become and at least he would have his identity back. There would actually be a reason to pick the character if they revert him since he will be able to get consistent picks again. Im glad they are reverting him for 6v6 but they gotta revert him for the main game as well.
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It does not matter. He only needs fixed for 6v6. Hog is horrible as a solo tank. Just queue 6v6 if you are a Hog player. Abandon the Honkai Star Rail auto-battle version and return to glory.
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If a hero requires a one-shot just to be viable, then that indicates that they should be reworked from the ground up.
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You just nominated yourself as the first person to get one shot by Hog after his triumphant return. How does it feel? Squeal for me!
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I mean, Iām used to it at this point so I just sigh and bully the sidewalk piglet when I get my ult.
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Iād say return his alt fire. The combined fire was amazing for making his close range to mid range more barely. 5-15m was an entirely awkward range to fire with. However, losing that alt fire means he lost a bit of effective range or lethality that was in that 15-25m range. Which only hook can fill now.
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Yeah mate you are right but I dunno really whats the solution. Devs at Blizzard are completly incompetent and impotent. People blamed that Hog is too lethal and as tank he shouldnt be, so they gave him a trap with 60-195dmg (yeah 195 total!) like wtf?
His RMB was so good to shoot with. Trap is just crap. Didnt fit to him at all.
- remove his trap
- give him something like Orisaās Fortification. Something what fits him and can you imagine. Like Adrenalin boost. He will be immune to stuns for 1-2 second, still normal headshots, cleanses of himself part of anti stuff and so on.
- Return his RMB shot
- 1 more ammo would be also not bad
Make him Tank and not DPSTank
If Ana were not in the game, hog would currently be in an Ok state. He is not OP in games without Ana, and next to useless in games with her. If the nade problem could be finally sorted out, then Hog would fit in quite well.
The problem we have just now is that there is a knee-jerk reaction among supports that when they see a hog they automatically switch to Ana (and often zen as well). Itās not even necessary any more in his current state, but they do it anyway for an easy win.
With this in mind, they should allow both Hog and Mauga to heal nade away. Using vape should burn down nade so he could get rid of it in 1.5s instead of 3, for example, but uses his precious resource.
The alternative is to make nade into āunderhealthā (red health) which can be healed away by any healing but blocks the healing going onto the normal health until it is healed away or the 3s expires. This would then mean that supports are not mostly useless against it.
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So Widow!
Ana needs Anti to be viable. Rework her. Zen needs Discord to be viable, time for a rework to him, as well!
I actually support all of that, before we touch Hog.
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I donāt get Hog players, but demanding more survivability on TaB and a more consistent oneshot (while he currently has combo for squishies) seems just wild to me. But I guess it is the wish and power fantasy to be able to 1v5 the enemy team. But guess what if a tank is able to 1v5 but the team still has 4 more players that is a crazy idea.
Instead of buffing HIS survibality and lethality why not give him something to interact with his own team (expect demanding supports to go Kiriko), like all the other tanks in the game.
Sincerly the 1# hog hater in the universe
Why do you think a rework has to be a bad thing? If a character absolutely cannot be viable without a one-shot, why shouldnāt they be reworked?
Thatās basically every Hog player here. They donāt understand that damage reduction makes Hog and Orisa complete broken and unkillable and any attempts at buffing them ruins the balance even further. The game balancers have lost their minds listening to these babymode fools.
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I feel like Hogās problem is his total reliance on hook kill combos. Heās too one dimensional. Yet I also canāt see Blizz reworking him like they did with Sombra, because it would change his character and gameplay entirely.
The devs are more more likely to put Hog fixes into a new tank idea than to rework him. I feel like this is what they did with Pharah, where every idea that would have made her viable at the time was put into Echo. until years later when Pharah finally got just 1 ability to give her a new decision point. Maybe this is what theyāll do with Hog.
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I agree with you, Buddha. I would not mind abandoning the HSR Autobattle version. Even though it is the one I have known best. I would love to return to Roadhogās glory of the right click.
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I think a lot of changes can be made with character balancing but players hold it back because Blizzard has to to an extent think about what players want. Sombra was changed in a good way, Widow can be changed but people are stuck on one shot, and Roadhog can be fixed to but people need to have more of an open mind.
I think Hog is still great in the right situations; heās just not good for, say defending open spaces vs ranged comps. Heās the only tank who demands space by existing, because a hook is still almost always a kill in coordinated matches.
I think hog players would just be happy to break the tie between hog and ana. If you play hog you have to accept you are playing against Ana every single game. Thatās not exactly fun and really defeats the point of a hero shooter which is meant to provide variety.
Hog is pretty garbage just now, but without Ana in the game he is ok - still bottom half of the pack, but not bottom. Consider that Mauga and Orisa counter him pretty well already and he lost his dominance over heroes like Rein with the armour changes.
There should not be single support heroes shut down tank heroes like Ana does to Hog and Mauga and others. That kind of direct overly oppressive countering should not be a thing as it means the counter will always be picked (and is).
Widow mains complained enough to get sombra changed, and hog players have been even louder with no results. Heck, hog players would accept a nerf if the tie to Ana was broken just for the variety.
Have you seen the recent āreworksā?
I mean I agree with you, and I wasnāt being sarcastic. Widow and Ana are bad for the game. Hog could use some changes but this team has seemingly committed to not giving his Breather an AOE damage reduction or anything tanky like that.
Maybe he should increase the range of the hook. Remove the trap, increase the damage a little.
Instead of a trap, give him something to sniff that removes all negative effects, like biotic grenade or stun.
Okay Iām convinced. Time for another rework. Last time he got a junkrat trap. Maybe next time heāll get storm arrows!
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