Atleast the ones that stack, ban mauga ana zen. Great job gaming the system ig zzz
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Roadhog just beat you huh?
Link the replay I bet it’s hilarious
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If you still somehow lose to the worst 2 tanks in the game without an Ana, then thats on you
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Your team can only ban 2 so they can’t ban ana, zen and mauga.
I got sick of ana+sombra in QP so I jumped into comp for a game and my team banned ana but I ended up against zen+mauga and my team didn’t go zen and they also had torb and mei. It was the least fun I’ve had on hog for a while.
Ana is a major problem for Hog and others, but hog has so many counters that removing Ana is only good for giving hog players a little variety. He’s still trash with or without ana on the other team unless you get to higher ranks where your team can help you.
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Hog can’t die without Ana or Zen debuffs some games. It’s really not hard to survive on a character that can tank a dva bomb at point blank while tapping his vape that’s on a resource meter. All while having high damage and the ability to displace anyone by 20m. That’s not even getting into maps where he just gets to do whatever he wants like Illios well and Nepal Sanctum simply because he can camp and hook people into a one shot only LW can save them from. Hog is only “bad” because he is and always has been a sad excuse for a tank. He is just a broken dps in a tank’s body who makes space the same way a Widowmaker does without getting even half the crap for it.
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Ive seen a lot if ded hogs…so is this a joke?
i know the implication is they aren’t impossible to eliminate just hard, but they are the least “tank” of all the tanks(Like they cant defend thier own team)
plusif most thier power comes from ohko combos, then you just start trying to bait hooks…ect
are people really struggling against hog?
So can ram, so can any shield tank, probably hazard? Zarya, probably ball with his shields up? In fact, is there any tank hero other than DVa that can’t survive a Dva bomb by using an ability?
Hog’s breather gives him DR which is only 10% points higher than armour! But he needs to be using his resource to get the DR unlike armour tanks. Then rein and monkey have shields on top of their armour. DVa has a ton of armour. I could go on.
Arguing he can survive a DVa bomb means he is OP is a bit disingenious. I’d say he’s probably the worst tank in the game for survivability apart from the tanks like doom designed to come back quickly to the fight so allowed to die more often.
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Guess what happens when Rein, Sigma, Winston, Zarya, etc block dva bomb? They lose their cds. Hog just taps vape and still has it.
That wasn’t my argument. I was just saying that as an example of his survivability, which he uses exclusively selfishly. Dva bomb isn’t even a great example because it’s a terrible ult countered by basically everything in this game. But go ahead and continue to ignore my other points while calling me disingenuous.
Hog is very hard to kill stop lying. Especially now that he has healing on a resource and not a cooldown. He doesn’t have to take an aggressive position to do anything since he can one shot combo people from 20m. Since he gets to safely corner peek all game and get value his sustain goes way further. Compare that to rein who needs to swing into multiple people or dva and Winston who have to jump right onto their target. That is why they have armor that blocks more damage and yet aren’t as impossible to kill. I can burst Winston down consistently but never do I burst down a hog.
Frankly, I think the concept of tanks having one shot combos is ridiculous and needs to go. No one likes it on Widow but they excuse the large healthpool tanks doing it. I’d extend this to CC cooldowns doing high damage as well. The only one I’m somewhat okay with is Rein’s charge because he actually risks putting himself in a bad position to use it.
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All this sustain and yet the worst tank in the game. I pulled up a page on chinese blizzard with the current stats, which I assume are accurate as it’s an official site, and the first time I looked hog had a 34% win-rate in diamond or masters. That picked up a bit and made it over 40% but he still sat at the bottom of the tank win-rate list consistently - never moving out of last place.
I also find that he requires way more skill to survive than the other tanks, which is why I’m learning him and queen. I would much rather fight a tank that needs to use cover well than orisa or mauga or ram or rein who just stand in the open and absorb damage with rotating CDs. If hog stands in the open he dies in seconds.
Lastly, he seems to be, by far, the most counterable tank. Take Ana away with bans and you still have zen, weaver pulling his hooks, kiri suzuing them, dps like hanzo, reaper, mei, torb, sojourn and others making it so he loses half his health the moment he peeks a corner, and tanks like DVa, Mauga, Rein with all his armour, Orisa, etc. making it very hard for him to survive and to get any value.
Funny you complain about a tank displacing you a few m (yes, up to 20m but usually more like 10-15) when so many other tanks have mobility that takes them further than that and they arrive in your face and gun you down in a second or 2.
But keep complaining about the most countered, least mobile and lowest win-rate tank in the game. Definitely not a skill issue.
I didn’t even say he was good.
He has always been a bad design for a tank because he doesn’t tank well.
Tanks who stand out in the open are not good at tank. Part of the skill is knowing when you can safely leave the corner without dying. Trust me, I’ve watched tanks with no understanding of cover run in down mid and die instantly over and over. It doesn’t matter if they’re on Rein, dva, hog, etc. they instantly die. I see hogs stand out in the open all the time without dying too.
Earlier my team had a hog. We banned Ana and Zen. He hooked their Queen off cooldown and she couldn’t play the game because every time she was hooked, it was a one shot even though she is a TANK because my whole team would shoot her. Think about that for a moment. A tank is one shotting another tank. Anyways they did try to go Orisa like you suggested and they did have a Kiriko. But it didn’t matter. A LW pull may have saved Queen but that would have been the only thing to do it. I’ve been the Kiriko in this situation before and your tank will literally explode before suzu reaches them even if you throw it as soon as you see them get hooked.
This is just subjective, but I hate getting yanked across the map and one shot way more.
He is the weakest most busted hero. An awful tank with an op ability.
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You said “in my book”, which implies one has to be able to read.
Fortunately we Hog enjoyers lack such weakness.
Keep Hogging boiz.
Zugzug.
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It’s hilarious. People in my rank just want to ban Sombra, so I just get my team to ban Ana or Zen, then I can just steamroll the game with hog.
I haven’t been able to play Sombra this season, but it’s still been free SR.
I’m not going to pretend that Hog has been all that good recently but come on now. Tanking is a role where positioning is key and CC is often brutal. Hook both stuns and yanks tanks out of position fairly cheaply for great rewards.
For tanks without a flick-barrier, Hook is a big deal. We can talk about how the whole package isn’t that great but let’s not downplay his strengths, either, and in a world where Sombra bans are universal (at my level) and tanks that Sombra counters tend to get banned accordingly, I won’t be surprised to see Hog’s win rate improve at lower/medium rank where most of us play.
I can believe it. The tanks that get banned in my experience are two of Doom, Ball, and Zarya. Hog is slipping through a lot.
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Queen is a pretty good hog counter so this is anecdotal at best. Her hitbox is so small and she has a lot of sustain. Hog doesn’t 1-shot her or even close and he pulls her into axe range and she can axe and knife him as well as shout and walk away. In fact, she often stays around after being hooked and does a lot of damage to the Hog.
this seems about right to me
Queen has no way of blocking hook.
Good thing the hook hitbox isn’t.
He doesn’t have to. That’s the whole problem with hog. He pulls you into a position where you are feeding your brains out and his whole team shoots you.
When naded at low hp and out of position without a Kiriko on his team, sure.
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Roadhog aside, the ban system is something that stacks can definitely game for some serious advantages. When Jayne ran his experiment with bans, his participants, all high ranked and professional players, famously didn’t ban the meta, but to reinforce it.
Your posts and mentality are why I see roadhogs just walking out in the open thinking they’ll get back alive huh?
Keep it up. It’s hilarious to mow them down with ball.
I actually smashed some team that tried that. No idea how. My Hog is rustier than his meathook. I thought it was pretty cringe that they went Mauga, Ana, and Zen for wittle old me. They deserved that loss…
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But like bastion and reaper eats the piggy