#ReworkMercy . Thoughts?

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I just wanna say first, in case people wrte a reply and dont get to the end, Im not going to be replying to anything. I just came here to state my opinion.

Im not a mercy main, but I do have another ‘chill’ account where I pretty much only play Mercy. I find her very easy to play, but fun. Since Its my chill account, I dont really try hard, but I do manage to keep a good win percentage in high masters (3900+)

I think the whole rework Mercy situation is just (to be very blunt) stupid. Im not calling the people stupid, im saying I think the movement is stupid.
I mean, for me Ifind that people just dont want Mercy to be Blizzards hero. They want her to be theirs. And while I understand Mercy is very near and dear to people, they dont own her and never will.
As far as gameplay goes, I think she does exactly what she is supposed to do. All the arguments people have for her to be changed are extremely subjective, and have no valid evidence other than anecdotal stories that dont allude to anything.
Personally I think that all the people saying Mercy is trash and completely not fun probably never really enjoyed her in the first place, other than having a "look at me, im doing so good :slight_smile: " every minute or so.

She was never meant to be challenging. She was never meant to be hard to play. She was made specifically for people who have never played an FPS before, for people who have no experience in gaming.
Mercy is the toddler toy of Overwatch. Shes the training wheels. She will never, and has never been more engaging than any other hero.

A lot of the rework Mercy community likes to use arguments void of actual reason, with things like ‘you just fly and go afk for 15 seconds in valk’ but then in the same breath will say 'valk is so underpowered, you dont do anything" but really this just makes me think that theyre not playing her right, or refuse to play her right so they can have evidence for their argument.

I also find a lot fo the reworks that people submit to either be going against core Overwatch, completely boring or completely overpowered. I also see it as an insult to the devs, its basically saying “Yeah, you worked on Mercy for years but this idea is better than all of that, because your ideas sucked”.

I find that people kind of refuse to acknowledge what the devs have said. They have said on numerous occasions that they will not revert Mercy, and they are not doing any reworks for anyone anytime soon. They also said theyre done with mercy for now. Recently I saw a post that said the devs have actually not said a word on Mercy to the community, and that theyre being ignored. But the thing is, they have, but because its not what they want to hear, they cover their ears and scream.

Every single argument the Mercy community uses in the reasons to rework her are just not real arguments. Theres no real evidence. Its all arguing with feelings and nothing else. Every time they get proved wrong, they just go back to the same thing as a response. Its pointless.

Anyway, sorry if this was long and somewhat rude (I dont know if it was rude or not, I tried not to be) but I hope its useful enough as an opinion :stuck_out_tongue:

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that was…just beautiful

detailed, accurate, sincere

thank you

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What do you mean mercy wasn’t picked in the pro scene? She literally dominated it for a whole year including all of OWL season 1

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I know, I’m saying that Torb, Mercy, Symm, these reworks arent done with THEIR community in mind and it isn’t resulting in the community being catered to being addressed either.
Mercy was reworked for hide n rez and stopping healing while rezzing… but she has to do that anyway now.
Torb is still considered a troll pick. So is symm. These reworks are terrible because NO ONE is benefitting from them. Moreover, it makes me question how they are coming up with the ideas to begin with. Torb and symm are troll picks, lets rework them to not be without input from either their community nor from the community we’re catering this rework to.
Again, Mercy wasn’t picked for Mass Rez in higher tiers. And she isn’t picked for Valk in the OWL. What is she picked for? People like her>> Mercy mains, Pocket potential>> Hasnt changed
Only her ult has been changed and it affected her playerbase terribly and what I consider to be her design as a goal of the devs: a strong, solo target, mobile healer. What was the purpose of prioritizing Valk as a game development aspect? It doesn’t align with her design, it doesn’t compare to her healer competition, and it split a playerbase in favor of people who don’t play her.

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“their community”

Jesus. There isn’t “hero” communities. This game isn’t meant to be like that and cater to people who only play one hero is not how you make this game better.

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When she was… broken… Mercy being OP isn’t what I mean here. I think she has only been balanced in before invulnerability and around June/July of this year. Although I think her healing nerf to valk ult charge change makes her Undertuned, It’s more balanced than any other state of Valk, and invulnerability was inherently going to be an issue.

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From some of the surveys I’ve done and other surveys I’ve seen and peoples comments on the forums I don’t think you can actually produce a single version of Mercy that is going to work well for everyone.

I think you could probably make a better version for most people than the current though but, I think a singular character is less than ideal because people really don’t agree on what they want (In part because the old Mercy fans and the new Mercy fans are not necessarily the same people) and as a result some aspects of whatever design you choose would likely only partially line up with what each person wants.

For example, in my last survey the people that didn’t like flying in Valk tended to not be big fans of single res (7.7%) vs no res/mass res and also tended to want a short ultimate with lots of power (88.5%). For comparison, of those that liked flying in Valk 43.1% liked single res more than no res/mass res and only 39.2% wanted a short ult with lots of power. Additionally, when choosing between more power in the rest of the kit or more base healing the people that liked Valk flight tended to want more healing more and those that didn’t like it tended to want more power in the rest of the kit.

Long term, you’d probably be better served breaking into multiple characters as the gaps in what people want are probably just too big.

You also have the issue that the people that would likely be doing a rework haven’t demonstrated that they learned anything from the past attempts and they have a lousy record. It’s entirely possible they’d make it worse. With that said, if they are busy messing up Mercy they might mess up other heros less.

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The invulnerability was a year and a half ago. Moth meta was a thing from July of 2018 all the way up until September of this year when goats really took off.

Her falling out of meta really didn’t have anything to do with her. She still sees play in contendies it’s just more situational and when goats goes away I’m sure we will be right back to Zen mercy

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That’s what got me into these forums. The Sombra changes really just pissed me off and I started going into the forums and looking at other heroes. And I realized wow, No wonder they can’t get Sombra right. They can’t even get Mercy right and she’s a fan fave.

I have no hope for Sombra and Symm with the state of Mercy.

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What’s your twitch name? I’m interested in checking it out.

I understand that people want her to be more engaging. But I really think she doesn’t need an entire rework or revert to fix that. If anything she needs 1 or 2 minor buffs or maybe a small rework to how ressurect works (keeping it as an ability but making it better to use while keeping it balanced). I personally would love to see her be able to apply a small burst heal in a radius around her after successfully pulling off a ressurect. It would reward her for pulling off difficult rezzes and it would reward her teammates for coming to peel for her.

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I don’t know what you’re trying to say. I’m fine with Mercy not being seen at all in OWL. Similarly, I am fine with Rein and soldier 76 not seeing time. Mercy being strong for so long seems more in line with balance issues from other supports and her being OP imo. Not from pro love of her kit or her. I don’t see it as her being inherently good or wanted from the pro scene. And I don’t care about their opinion on easier heroes because they play the game differently than I think should be.

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I’ve mained Mercy since season 1.

I don’t like Mercy’s 2.0 incarnation in ANY of it’s forms. It makes her skill curve plateau way too early to be satisfying, and it lacks any moment were you can feel like a bada$$.

Chain heals are a crutch for players who aren’t good enough with beam juggling, and don’t offer anything of value to veteran players. Valk does not feel like an ult at all, it feels like an E ability with a long cooldown.

E rez feels horrible to use with the self stun, and I never feel accomplished using it since it was handed to me on a cooldown… but even with all these hobbles, E rez still has the power of an ult, and it’s holding the rest of Mercy’s kit hostage. Every other part of Mercy’s kit has had to be gutted in order to accommodate for Mercy having a freaking ult as a cooldown ability.

Mercy’s current design (valk on Q, rez on E) only has two settings: OPAF but fun (at least for some people), or boring as hell but balanced. With the power of an ult on cooldown and the power of an E under an ult charge requirement, the flow of Mercy’s gameplay is all screwed up.

Mercy 1.0 had her problems, but at least they were fixable with some tuning.

Hide n Rez was a symptom of a flawed SR system at the time, and rez itself not having the window of proactive counterplay that all other ults have. The devs didn’t even try to give it a cast time and LoS restriction (no casting from behind walls). Even those small tweaks would have made rez feel much more fair to play against.

“Stopping healing to rez” only happened because resurrect was Mercy’s only backup when her base heals got overwhelmed. Unlike Ana who has her nade, and Moira who has her orb, Mercy has never had any “emergency healing” to quickly deal with critical health teammates or enemy focus fire… so Mercy had no choice but to rely on rez to pick up the slack.

Why stay in a fight where you’re open to attack, when you can already tell that your base healing is getting overwhelmed and your teammates will soon be dead no matter how well you manage your beams? If Mercy had a midfight E for “emergency healing”, the tactic that the devs cited as one of the reasons for the rework wouldn’t have been necessary.

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having noted your comment here on beam juggling, please come over and take a look at

all input welcome from all sides

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I really want a rework of her Ultimate,just this
Is the only thing i dont like about her

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Ngl, I’m just glad the discussion has evolved beyond “but muh Mass Rez!!!” Only took a year.

As for my thoughts on it all, just check my post history. It’s been made painfully clear in very detailed ways just in the last couple days. Dont have to look hard.

Again, just glad people have moved tf on from Mass rez. Dont think a rework is necessary, but that’s cuz I dont care much about other people’s feelings.

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I used to think an entire rework would be necessary, but I think she needs a small buff to her base healing and reduced rez cast time (buff it to like 1 second).

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After a ton of reading, you guys laid out some SUPER good opinions and options. I want to go ahead and address the situation here. I recently got into it with a popular youtuber that is in support of #reworkmercy , and makes it super toxic as well. My opinion on the matter? Mercy is a decent hero for new players. I think Blizzard spends wayyyyyy too much time on making sure they’re catering to OWL rather than the majority of the player-base. OWL made them loads of money, so they would rather appease the OWL rather than the masses. Valk is lack luster at best, but with a couple of tweaks it could feel like a super good ult. OWL has such a huge impact on what heroes we as a community play, with torb/symm being ‘‘throw heroes’’ purely because they are not ‘‘meta’’. It has to stop for us to go back to Overwatch’s glory days (Season 1-4 i’d say) The game at it’s state right now isn’t cutting it, we have huge creators leaving the game due to the introduction of the new heroes, the FPS aspect disappearing with every new hero added, bans going out on players that just so happen to play torb or symm. I could go on and on about the topic. Mercy is a decent selection, she can work well with a mcree,widow, etc. But I think Blizzard needs to take a look at the impact of Mercy, tweak her just a tiny bit, so she isn’t just looked at as a pocket hero. That’s no fun. Blizzard also needs to stop focusing on OWL so much, I get it, it’s making tons of money, but what happens when the game it’s self disappears because people stop playing? OWL will be no more, you have to appease to the majority, not just the select few people. Everyone should have a voice. I love Overwatch, and I love Mercy for what she is now, but they could do better. 2019 will be a deciding factor for the life of Overwatch. I appreciate you guys participating in this discussion, it has really been super eye opening, if you guys have any more opinions about ANYTHING i’d love to hear them, not only having to do with Mercy, but with Overwatch or specific heroes, whatever information I can use to build my own opinions would be absolutely amazing, and very much appreciate. Thanks!

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pls no, give her healing a small buff, and add more interesting movement interactions to reward good players. thats all she needs

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I think it’s selfish to center a movement around making a hero “fun to play” while there is a large number of players that are already having fun on that hero. The movement seems to be more about making the hero fun for them and making Mercy what they want her to be while disregarding everyone else’s fun. It also screams stubbornness and refusal to adapt.

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Well said

Thank you…

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