Hog and doom are “bad” right now its the perfect time to do it.
Lol, threads like this are the reason these forums get memed by the rest of the community.
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What are you talking about. There are so many positive changes in the game. You are in a big denial.
You will never succeed if you are always forced to switch. If that was the way, Junkrat would not be S tier cuz everyone would just counter with pharah and force switch, but in high ranks no junkrat switches because of pharah.
Double shield was making ana nade less exposable.
In a game with double shield.
What counter picks are you suggesting against suzu and discord?
Because the forum can seriously deny problems like hog oneshot and zen discord.
I’ve read through this and I’m sorry but you are just screaming out “I’m a rein main”
You don’t get one shot by anything. And really the only way rein can die is with discord or anti.
Bro just learn how to play dva and gobble up everything zen, Kiriko, and Ana have. Nothing in their kits can go through defense matrix.
Also if you don’t wanna swap. Everyone has to. Including Ana, zen, and Kiriko.
Unfortunately the most unfair part about this is there is only one tank now. So instead of screaming at your other tank to swap it’s just you man.
The game really is in a good place though if people arnt complaining about brig, Moira, or mercy. Of course a rein wouldn’t complain about those supports. He can kill through their healing. A dive tank player would complain about them.
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Healing, or at least the way it is now, needs to be removed from Supports, and a lot of reworks need to happen for balance tbh.
Healing is such a boring and restricting mechanic, and I really wish they gave all heroes auto-regen and instead gave supports more fun utility abilites to play with.
Also: Zen fix
I am not a rein main, I have like 30 minutes of rein in QP.
Are we playing the same game?
No, rein just opens the shield and survives.
How come everyone in this forum teachers others how to play the game?
You are probably playing in a different rank if things are so easy for you.
I don’t understand your logic at all. Rein would never die to a nade, I have never seen that at least in my ranks. Also, dive tanks have 0 complaints about these abilities, the anchor tanks have. You can’t nade a monkey inside a bubble, if you nade a doom, he has tones of mobility and won’t die. Zen cancels anchor tanks.
IDK man, I feel like healing has the least value in this game.
Could be busted with speedy dpsrs like bastion, ram, sojourn, and absolutely useless with Hanzo or genji.
I would imagine this in ow1 when people were stacked, like in 2016-17, but with current dive meta, I can’t imagine this having any use.
I would change this into charging some balls around you, and when someone comes near, balls automatically attack them. It will destroy genjis and tracers, but who cares about them. Everyone hates good genjis and tracers, let them suffer.
Yeah, I do the same. Good heals go un-noticed. you only notice when you’re not getting healed…
Listed as “max 1 time per second” for that very reason. But yeah, depending of fire rate it may have limited use. Also might be worth considering if the orb pulses when the Zen does dmg, and not the target with the orb. That would encourage Zen to deal more dmg at the very least (… Not that he needs it, doing dmg is his thing!)
Apart from numbers may being wrong (like say it’s 50% of dmg, max 20 dmg), I would imagine this damage would also be dealt to the discord-orb target itself as well.
Yeah, I have had this exact idea as well, but I can’t really justify dealing high dmg if it will automatically hit. And if you make it a projectile that is easily dodged, it’s useless. It could absorb damage to add some use to it either way though!
I think you responded to me by accident?
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What hero’s do you play?
I’m trying to understand how you feel oppressed.
After years of people complaining about hero’s like Moira brig and mercy….
Your taking shots at the mechanically challenging supports that are arguably balanced. This is a first.
nade is only as strong as healing. the more important healing is, the stronger nade gets.
might be a much deeper issue than just nade itself underlying.
Similarly, suzu isnt inherently strong. in a setting where there is a lot of sustain damage, and lower healing, suzus impact would be really small. invuln for a second? ok wow wont help much against a constant barrage of damage.
Im sensing a pattern here. sustain is high, and discord cuts through that sustain.
its not that these abilities are inherently crazy, its how the environment around them makes them absolutely necessary.
I don’t think dying is very fun in games, can we just remove damage and make it so you win by making the best combinations of sprays instead?
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‘you will never succeed if you are always forced to switch’
this is another perfect example why you re wrong …
can you share your rank op ?
simple fix
Just play Kiriko instead!
spoiler, it was, since Ana wasn’t the main reason OW died, or even secondary reason…
and if you want to counter something like suzu the obv answer is playing heroes that wont be affected by it as much … obv right ?
so instead of a supp that disables the enemy you go for support thats focused on supporting / buffing your team
countering enemy comp successfully is 80% of any win at higher lvls
Sigma and ram. Ram especially suffers from Ana if there is no kiriko.
I don’t see problems with any of these heroes personally, at least right now. Moira is mainly complained by bronze players because of her leftclick aimbot.
nade’s healing has no value. if you are primarily healing with nade, you are throwing.
It cancels the seconds window of kills that higher ranks can allow themselves, so this is why lower ranks don’t understand kiriko’s value.
Most of the meta heroes are burst damage. And now discord adds to that burst meta making tanks to get melted within seconds.
grandmaster on the tank.
there was a double shield back then.
not obvious at all, please give me specific heroes that are “obviously” good against suzu and discord.
oh my friend, I can guarantee say you are not a high rank player. I am not gatekeeping though, just saying.
yeah and? many things were back then, and as far as I can remember, many more players played that game than they play now or few months back
its pointless man stop tryin xD
Do you know what else is anti fun? Being dying as a support and instantly being deleted by a widow, hanzo, sojourn instantly with zero ability to fight back.
These abilities all have counter plays. Just stop.
So tired of people asking to remove all play making potential from the support team role.
I have an idea, while we’re talking about reworks, let’s actually turn all supports into Mercy. They’ll all just essentially be Mercy skins. Ana can shoot a yellow beam by holding left click and shoot out a blue beam with right click.
That’s what we want. We all want to be DPS side kicks.