Make flex dps heros have a better shot to deal with her
Nerf the interaction with mercy on both heros hard
Create better tank/support heros to counter her hard
Its just disgusting playing this game as flex dps hero. Not only you are deeply outclassed by hitscan dps heros but even worse if they have a pharah you basically lost the game by default.
Apparently blizzard still believes that when only a small handful of heros can even touch her in the first case it is good game design.
And not everyone can play hitscan heros to a god level which is required around my sr (4k±) to actually take out pharahs who also use cover and airbone flank hitscans.
Its just gotten to a point when you get 2 flex dps players game is almost gg.
Supports and tanks can only really zone or avoid pharah they cannot actually kill her and most of the roster cannot even touch pharah at all too.
And it doesnt get better because it seems like EU is populated with southern middle east players who loooove to play pharah for some reason so you see her almost every 2nd game at least once
I dont get the idea how it is good game design that only hitscan heros and maybe Echo only have a real shot to kill her? What is the logic behind this?
You realize tanks and supports can deal with those heroes too, right? Dva can just screw with her all game, Sig Orisa can just shield in her face and spam at her, heck even Zarya beam reaches her on half the maps. Bap Ana Zen all can shoot her down, Mercy makes it hard for her to kill people and she can boost them to burst her. Half the DPS are hitscan, and Hanzo is proj who can reliably deal with her.
Also if they are giving you so much trouble maybe…idk…learn to aim on hitscan? It’s not hard to go Cree or Soldier and spam them into swapping? lol
The Devs shouldn’t change a hero like Pharah who gets countered by half the roster just because you refuse to use any of the heroes who do. It’s not their fault you aren’t flexible. I’m a GM supp main who mostly plays Mercy of all heroes and even I can go Cree or Soldier in this SR and deal with Pharah effectively. If you’re a 4k DPS main who can’t that’s a bit embarassing
lol xd on lower ranks maybe. a decent pharhamercy will not stay on the range of the majority of tanks xd. flying boosted heros are a gameplay problem. especially pharhamercy where the enemy needs more skills and teamwork to counter than the players needs to play this duo.
Firstly, Pharah is countered by a lot of the dps roster and the support roster.
Bap and ana can deal with her almost as effectively as widow/soldier/cassidy can. Literally just shoot her, it’s so easy as Ana and i’m not even 4k, i’m 3.6k on a good season. Zen discord screws her over so badly because it means she’ll be taking damage that overwhelms the mercy’s healing. Moira brig and lucio aren’t that good but 70% of the time, pharah will be in range for you to suck beam her with moira and force her out of the sky. yup
I don’t even need to go into the dps, she gets completely dumpstered by so many of them.
And your proposed changes are to make a character that has various counters, have even more counters ?
i think she is strong ESPECIALLY if a mercy decides to pocket you. she is probably the most op with a duo who have mastered the symbiosis (premade duo). that pair can be frustrating sometimes but i dont know if the balance team will ever have a solution.
i dont think she dominates gm atm? im not in gm so i dont have a clue but im figuring there are a lot of sharpshooters up there lol
Pharah is the garbage design hero that holds a lot of other heros, no hero should have uninteractability with a majority of the roster.
Every other hero interacts with other heros even if they are countered by them or counter them.
This hero just demands swapping, go play heroes that spank me or get rekt.
What is worse is she doesnt even counter most of flex dps, just that she will go and kill the teammates who will then ask flex dps to swap to hitscan, such a bad design were you are making heroes swap by existing.
Either nerf pharah or allow doomfist to slam on her back and send her into illios well.
The infuriating thing about Pharah is the Mercy pocket. Without one Pharah is a balanced hero. Putting Damage boost on a cooldown would go a long way to remedy this problem.
From the heroes you mentioned, only D.VA, Ana and Baptiste can contest Pharah - and that when she’s not being pocketed my Mercy. All the others you mentioned don’t counter her.
So that only leaves hitscans and perhaps Hanzo depending on the range as counters against Pharmacy. A common characteristic of all of the above matchups? Playing Pharah/Pharmercy requires much less skill than playing one of her counters, therefore exposing an important design/balance issue.
The terribly - designed, low skill high reward mess that is Pharmercy especially must be nerfed ASAP.
That way, it will also be possible to make Pharah more independent and increase her survivability when played without a pocket Mercy, as well as decrease her spammy nature by nerfing her splash damage and increasing her damage on directs a bit.
By nerfing the interaction, you should’ve explicitly said to adress Mercy’s kit who revolves around pocketing / dmg boosting with unlimited resource which makes her their enabler and the main issue. If you balance Mercy’s nature (and make her not be a mindless pocket bot), they’ll both be more balanced themselves.
Tanks could use more counters for pharah/echo/mercy ofc but that would mean giving them even more range so they can reliably hit the birds. Supports can already fight them pretty good
You understand that just going cree or soldier is not enough to counter a decent pharah+mercy duo especially if your focus and enjoyment lies behind flex dps heros. And if you are in my position where you are also facing yznsa on his 50 accounts then good luck even having a good shot against pharah mercy as a hitscan tryhard main
And feel free to explain what “half” the roster actually means.
For me it only really is widow ,ashe ,soldier ,bap ,cree ,dva, echo. So 7 heros are definitely not half the roster. And heros like ana,sig,hog etc only “can” kill her if they put their focus on her otherwise they’re also useless.
And yet pharah hardcounters every dps besides the ranged hitscan ones every support besides bap and every tank besides dva and maybe sigma
Can’t believe how many times I’ve come across this silly phrase
Brig - Doom - Junk - Reaper - Rein - Symmetra
6 of 32 is not “most of the roster”. It’s 18%, just the close range heroes
It’s kinda common to get killed/hurt by competent junk mines or sym turrets too
I don’t think you understand what “countering” is and how it is effectively done. Ik it’s a hard concept to grasp in plat but you don’t have to kill a hero to be countering them.
Echo doesnt stay in the air for long, because her abillity is on a CD. So why nerf Mercy? Brig, Zen and Ana can do the same without the need to follow her
Its not like Mercy is anywhere near reqired if you play Echo, unlike with Pharrah
