Kind of a hot take, but would reverting reins shatter nerf from a little back be a bad thing, im not saying that he’s the hardest character (im basically a rein one trick), but trying to slam with so many things that can counter is kinda hard already, but with the reduced stun time on the enemies it can be kinda hard to get a massive amount of value, I just feel that it should feel kinda like a team wipe if I slam six people, and not just killing one person. granted yes follow up damage is needed and it would be stupid if rein could kill everyone. but we aren’t esport players, that kind of coordination can be hard.
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Wasn’t the whole problem with the old shatter was you HAD to have a rein to block shatter or it would just be a team wipe.
Now it’s mainly just, even if you get shattered if the rein’s team doesn’t follow up immediately you can live.
Which I’m all down for. I’d rather that then the “Go rein to block shatter or get team wiped anytime he has it” meta again.
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Not really a hot take, shatter is basically impossible to followup on now and it’s basically been turned into you either get a 6 man or you might aswell solo shatter someone
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Unless you’re running double offtank I don’t see how this works
That was the whole problem for a solid half of 2020.
It was just pure rein zarya because nothing could block shatter.
Orisa shield breaks and is on a cooldown
Sigma shield can’t react fast enough and has multiple points where it is down.
Rein was the only person who could reliably block it fast enough, because if you DIDN’T block it, it was basically a team wipe everytime.
Now it’s okay if you don’t block it because the rein’s team HAS to react fast enough and actually follow up on it.
Sigma is an instant cast, it’s actually better at blocking shatter than rein, orisa sure I can see that but if you’re running orisa hog rein shouldn’t be able to get ult charge anyway
Against dive rein is just a shield bot so that ain’t happening either
Sigma has a 1 second cooldown in between each time he pulls it back and until he can put it back out again. That’s plenty of time for rein to shatter.
Rein doesn’t have any cooldowns so that’s why he’s really the only reliable counter to it.
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If you’re putting out your shield as Sig when rein has shatter you deserve to be shattered
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thats what I always thought, rein usually only really works (rank dependent) against certain comps. if you ran heavy barrier damage with a hog, rein would struggle to live, much less build slam. in the rein vs rein game, I just feel like the better rein should win. id be fine with them increasing the time for him to start getting ultimate charge after slam so he cant loop it to basically having slam every fight. if you run rein vs orisa, then the orisa shouldn’t be letting him get close enough, plus she has fortify to reduce his ult generation.
… ummm what type of logic even is that?
You can’t permanently have your shield up as sigma. Not to mention if you just keep it in one place not only will it get melted, the rein can just… walk past it lmfao.
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I mean I wouldn’t say it would be horrible but I’d rather not. I prefer it more like this, rein needs his team to follow up on shatter.
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I mean if you put it out when he has shatter you deserve to be shattered, if you know he has it you should bait it out
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I’m sorry. You’re suggesting the sig sit there without using shield forever and just wait til the rein goes to shatter?
That’s a good way to get your team ran over and farmed.
Again, rein is the only reliable counter to shatter, the nerf keeps that in check.
It’s not even like rein is doing bad anyway. Go buff orisa.
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No mate they’re suggesting Sigma should keep the shield available for shatter, if you put it up, you know whats coming.
Sigma’s shield actually has no deployement delay, unlike Rein’s, he’s even better to block than Rein is thanks to that.
Nonetheless, shatter is fine. Last thing this game needs is more CC.
I mean obviously you cover the downtime of your maintank but you don’t just let you barrier get destroyed and you make sure you take it down when your other barrier is up
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Which is exactly what never put it out means. He literally just said “If you put sigma’s shield out you deserved to get shatter”
Basically suggesting to just never use it.
That’s ASKING to get ran over.
Last time I checked rein shield goes up instantly, and also sigma shield has that entire 1 second cooldown to it.
Okay well what you just suggested is double shield which not only SUCKS, but is also an entire tank comp meant to counter… one ult?
Again, that’s why rein is the most reliable counter and why the shatter nerf offsets that.
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No, it isn’t, there’s another, clear possibility, you don’t put the shield up if Rein has shatter, same way a Zarya wouldn’t use self bubble in the same situation.
It’s not “never put it out”, it’s “don’t press M2” until shatter comes. If you do put your barrier up, the cooldown is inevitable and then you will get shattered.
Check again, Rein shield is not instant, it’s actually ever so slight slower than the animation itself.
Sigma does not have a deployment delay. You press M2, the shield is there instantly, you get a cooldown after calling the barrier back, but not a deployment delay.
I mean… that is LITERALLY the same exact thing…
Then I’m sorry semantic got in the way but glad we understand each other.
Im saying sig, an offtank, is being played with a maintank is that not normal?