What can only be described as a meme has been making its way around the forums.
Time and time again I see people claim that current resurrect is not earned while also claiming that the old resurrect was earned.
I am completely open to changing my mind, but I must have a good reason or argument to convince me.
So, please try and explain how current resurrection is not earned.
Ground rules: (Removing illogical arguments right out the gate)
You cannot compare current resurrect to mass resurrect. The moves are completely different and any conclusions drawn from their comparison would be spurious or misleading. You also cannot say itâs an ultimate ability. Itâs not.
You must be able to explain why resurrect isnât earned, but Anaâs bionade is earned. Also explain how Zenyattaâs discord orb is earned. (or just any abillity really).
If you do convince me that resurrect isnât earned, then you have to convince me how bionade is earned since I will think that ability isnât earned anymore since I believe itâs better than resurrect.
This isnât a âground ruleâ, but it will help you to not embarrass yourself; Donât mindlessly quote some other post or thread that agrees with you. Post your reason and not someone elseâs. It would help to give your definition of earned as well.
I legitimately want to get to the bottom of this. If there is a logical, coherent argument that proves resurrect isnât earned I will accept it.
As of now, though, I have yet to hear a single compelling reason to justify the claim that resurrect isnât earned.
Wtf do you mean âearnedâ? No one says Anaâs bionade or Zenâs discord is âearnedâ idk what world youâre living in. No, resurrect is not âearnedâ. Period.
The current Resurrect is on a cooldown. The amount you heal, damage boost, or die between Resurrects does not affect how quickly you get your Resurrect back.
Anaâs Biotic Grenade is earned because there is a skillshot and personal resource involved. You have to aim and land a projectile on a moving target and leave yourself without self-healing to get value from it. Mercy doesnât need to aim anything, and doesnât lose any utility, sustain, or power for having it on cooldown
Itâs a lousy ability that makes you feel even more impotent as a support. Youâre throwing all of your weight at your teammate, pleading to the high heavens that they can do something with this second life.
It was just as bad with Mass Resurrect. You could easily get a 5 man rez, and then watch the enemy team just wipe your entire team again because they never deserved to win the fight to begin with.
Now itâs just a lazy ability to counteract the oppressive nature of Widowmakers and Hanzos. that clip your support for daring to exist.
Nothing in the game is âearnedâ. Or at least nothing that regenerates passively. Ultimates are not earned. Resurrect is not earned, no ability is âearnedâ. You did nothing to get that ability⌠you might be able to pull a Res off but it still doesnât mean it is earned.
Only ultimates are earned as they have adjustable cool downs based on performance everything else isnât earned itâs given well thatâs wrong some abilities have adjustable cool downs I think only genji dash but thatâs the only ability that can be earned
Same with bionade and not the same with discord orb. Please differentiate them.
Mercyâs resurrect is earned because I have to fly to my dead ally and have enough awareness to know I will live. I also lose a personal âresourceâ that is; keeping my other teammates healed while I resurrect.
I have to see the body, calculate if I can get the resurrect off without dying, and leave the rest of my team without healing while also trying to dodge incoming fire to get value from resurrect.
Ana doesnât lose any utility, sustain, or power having it on cooldown either. And bionade doesnât require that much aim, letâs be honest.
So, thanks for the reply, but that wasnât very compelling whatsoever.
For most heroes in the game, their most powerful and impactful ability is their ultimate. You canât use your ultimate unless you are doing well enough to charge it. Ever looked into how long it takes to charge an ult with just the ult charge trickle? It takes forever.
Mercy doesnât work that way. Current Resurrect is Mercyâs most powerful ability. She starts the game with it and just gets it 30 seconds after use regardless of how well sheâs doing.
Thatâs what most people mean when they say that Resurrect isnât earned.
That statement usually has absolutely nothing to do with landing the ability.
Edit: Reread your OP.
Generally no one considers Bionade or Discord Orb âearnedâ either. Those arenât those heroes most powerful abilities so no one cares.
Ultimates generally are considered earned because you have to be doing something to not take 2+ minutes to get it.
And Discord Orb? Thatâs not EVEN a cooldown ability, like what?
Seriously this post is comparing apples to oranges to kiwis.
It doesnât matter how much work you put in with how you play the game, itâs a static cooldown. You could be doing everything in your power to help your team, itâs not going to lessen that cooldown.
You could go full DPS as Ana/Lucio and not heal and yet both the gnade and Amp it Upâs cooldown will not be hindered.
You can camp out on the point/payload wherever and the cooldown time will not change.
Anaâs gnade will always have a 10sec cooldown
Lucioâs Amp it Up will always have a 12sec cooldown
Mercyâs rez will always have a 30sec cooldown
Zenâs Discord OrbâŚhas no cool downâŚI still donât get what you were trying to get with that.
Iâm also confused on what you mean by âearned.â
LikeâŚwho is âearningâ it? Do you mean âThe player Rezzed has earned the use of my abilityâ or âThe fact that I managed to succeed in using Rezz is an earned accomplishment?â OrâŚsomething else?
But I would also add, that Bionade nor Discord are earned. Cooldown based abilities are not earned as they are available to all players at the same time (of course, they can be used at different times but are always going to be available following the same cooldowns).
The impact of the ability, whether you miss or not, etc. is irrelevant. Every player regardless of skill is going to have the ability available at the same time. How effective you are with what you have at your disposal is what determines your skill. But none of these abilities are âearnedâ.
An ultimate is the only thing that is earned as how effective you are at dealing damage, healing, etc. correlates directly with how often you have this ability at your disposal (While certain heroes may not get their ultimates by doing what they are meant to do such as tanking/preventing damage or utility in the case of sombra, the point still stands).
To earn something, you have to attain it by meeting a determined criterion. With ultimates, you can decrease the time it would take to have that ability available but all players will at some point have access to the ability passively. However, those who have it much more often at their disposal are truly âearning itâ as they have their ultimate available far more often and its availability is dynamic and dependant on performance.
Any ability on a cooldown (with some exceptions) has a static availability regardless of performance and is not earned as all players who use the ability at the same time will also have it available at the same time regardless of what they do in the time the ability is on cooldown.
Beyond that, ALL cooldown abilities, including bionade, Resurrect and Discord Orb are all unearned.
I donât know what people mean when they are saying resurrect isnât earned.
Thatâs sort of why I made the thread. Did you read the post?
Ah, a position I donât disagree with.
I donât really have any objections here.
No objections here.
Yeah, this is where I disagree. I donât think resurrect, as it stands, is her most powerful ability. I think Valkyrie is better in more situations. Itâs a more diverse ability with far more uses.
I donât agree with most people when they say that.
If they are actually ignoring landing the ability then they are easy to dismiss. Landing the ability is a huge part of any ability.
Hell, even in this thread someone tried to justify bionade is earned because you had to aim to land it. So, at least in some cases, they are talking about landing the ability.
Iâm trying to highlight that saying some abilities are âearnedâ while others arenât is a completely meaningless arbitrary statement.
If I had it my way I would have a separate subforum for Mercy posts so you can get off my back and out of the thread if you want. Thanks.
No, that is not the question.
Again, Iâm responding to those who say it âisnât earnedâ. Iâm not sure what they mean.
Thatâs why Iâm making this thread. For people to explain how itâs not earned, but every other ability is earned.
