Reporting system is broken

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I did not expect to make this post. I want a strong system of rules for courteous behavior and strong reporting and discipline.

But, I was just in some games where the teams especially did not listen to suggestions - e.g., the no shield, no healer teams - and I told them that their choices for some of what they did cost the team the game. They didn’t like hearing that, and reported me for abusive chat.

I’m fine with the penalties they have - but not with how there seems to be no quality control over whether the reporting is justified or not.

I call the games usually and now have a 2 day chat ban. Nothing to do about it.

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It seems reporting works in mass.

Meaning that if you’re the only one who reported someone, there isn’t any credibility to your report at all. You could be lying or just be toxic. If the 5 other people on your team agree that you’re the toxic one, then it’s easier to ban because more and more people report at once. They have more credibility than one person.

The thing is, all we have to go in is what you’re telling us. We don’t know if you are telling ‘the whole truth’ or a sanitized version of it.

I’d be inclined to suggest that your ban might be a culmination of multiple reports and not just this one game. Use this two day squelch to consider how you provide your feedback to your teammates.

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Here is the thing. Not to be mean, but please Do not ever “call a game” when it starts. Seeing a team mate announce in the match chat “gg for us”. Is very rude. Now I agree, this match making system has GOT to be fixed. But don’t make your teammates suffer for something they did NOT cause.

The match making system is NOT working right. I don’t like it. I feel it’s not working correctly as well as it USE to. Back before November, it worked fairly well. Games went on, and toxicity was caused by trolls ONLY.

I’ve seen this system throw 3 widowmains onto ONE team. They don’t know what they are doing, their computer mouse isn’t dialed in for tanking, so now what do we have. A bunch of widow mains trying to re-correct their settings for a match where they are FORCED to play classes they don’t know.

The thing is, all we have to go in is what you’re telling us. We don’t know if you are telling ‘the whole truth’ or a sanitized version of it.

I’d be inclined to suggest that your ban might be a culmination of multiple reports and not just this one game. Use this two day squelch to consider how you provide your feedback to your teammates.

Boy, did you miss the point.

Nowhere does this thread ask you to determine what happened. The topic is a problem with the system.

You don’t know what happened - and the point is, neither does Blizzard. If I simply said “hello” and they were griefers who reported me, or if I said terrible things to them and they were well justified in reporting me, Blizzard apparently had no idea, and there is no way to get any different response from Blizzard.

You also don’t have good reading comprehension. I said in the OP this was from multiple games. I know just what happened.

Perhaps I should encourage people to report your post for violating the rules and get you suspended from the forum for a period, and tell you to use the time to consider how you interact with people, and you can find you have nothing to say about it. Except that for the forum, unlike the game, Blizzard actually looks at your post to see if the reports are justified.

Which is sort of the point of the thread, the difference there.

Your post is rather hostile, and the sort you have to expect some might post and you have to put up with, but that’s all.

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Giving unsolicited advice is a great way to get reported. Should they report? No, they should just mute you. But, this report system is a mob rule so it’s better to just turn all forms off communcation off until Blizzard realizes that mob rule is an awful thing.

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going around and telling people their choice is bad is surely going to get you banned…i mean you thought it wouldn’t?! who are you to make that decision for someone and to point it out during losing or a game thats not going well when everyone is pretty much annoyed. report is justified.

You could have tried to appeal it and see whether your suspension was justified or not, and if it were, they’d probably use your logs of blaming the team as examples

Nah, it’s more likely they would simply uphold the punishment, tell you that you were being a “disruptive player”, and provide exactly 0 further explanation as well as close all followup tickets.

This sounds just like the forum one instead. But I’m guessing if you were to ask what you did wrong so that you don’t repeat it, they’re probably more inclined to provide it (also depends on the responder)

Nah on the forum they at least send you an email with the post that got you punished quoted.

And usually in game they won’t tell you what you did wrong specifically. They will something about code of conduct and then claim they can’t give you specifics because it would make them unable to enforce rules later because people would avoid the things that get them punished.

Legit lol. Isn’t that the entire point? You tell someone what they did wrong so they don’t do it again. But hey, I guess Blizzard would rather operate on the revolving door model of punishment

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The bans and silences only work when a mass amount of reports are received. I do agree the report system is a little whack, and it seems like a lot of the reportable offenses are easy to manipulate the meaning of. The automated system can be exploited, but again, reports have to be made in mass.

That aside, it does kind of sound like you may have potentially been angry and toxic towards your entire team and they didn’t like that. I’ve never been reported in mass for kindly stating the current composition isn’t working, and then proceeding to ask what the team thinks. Unless the team that reported you was a 5-stack…

But even 5 reports shouldn’t get you banned. “Abusive chat” reports can also pull your chat logs, I am pretty sure. If you truly believe you did nothing wrong, it never hurts to open a ticket and appeal it, especially since in that case that CAN pull your chatlogs. Never hurts to appeal it.

“Here is the thing. Not to be mean, but please Do not ever “call a game” when it starts. Seeing a team mate announce in the match chat “gg for us”. Is very rude.”

When I say “call a game”, I mean things like “we need a healer” or “team, stay together”, or “tracer flanked us, let’s kill her”. Not “gg”.

The closest I get to that is, when people don’t listen and don’t play a healer or shield, or run off alone to get killed a lot, I’ll say they make it more likely we’ll lose. And yes, I sometimes say it pretty strongly, when they’re rude in response, and that’s how we got here.

Frankly, some of the time I DO break the rules responding to especially bad behavior, mostly when people say things especially irritating and rude, I tell them they’re an idiot and that I’m blocking them, and that does violate the rules I guess - the point here is, Blizzard doesn’t know whether I did or not.

And the system allowing the assumption people did, isn’t good.

Imagine if the way the law worked, was someone tells the police they saw you do something wrong, and you’re put in jail assuming they’re right.

Blizzard goes on the assumption, apparently, that numbers substitute for verification; that even if someone screams profanity and racism at you, if only you report them, that’s just one person, who knows if it’s right; but if your team refuses to play a shield or healer and loses badly and you tell them they deserved to lose for that, and they all report you for abusive chat, that’s credible because of the number reporting, and they’ll assume it’s correct.

That number system is subject to exploitation.

For example, I’ve had groups who intentionally throw games or grief the team. I’ll say nasty things to them. Yes, I report them - one report. I don’t know how the ‘gameplay sabotage’ reports are handled. Those groups I see later, and they often spend the game trying to spawn camp my character or if on the same team ice blocking it - yesterday, one of them made a roadhog who would stand in front of me the whole match trying to block my view.

The point is, what if that group reports me for abusive chat whether I said anything abusive or not?

The fact they’ll spend game after game griefing my char after that means they’ll have no problem agreeing to file false reports.

And Blizzard will just assume they’re right, if the numbers meet whatever their threshold is.

At least the blocking system mostly works - I tend to block jerky people pretty quickly. The problem is how the blocks don’t last long.

I understand the practical problems with a system. That Blizzard probably can’t read and listen to every match that’s reported to determine the accuracy of reports. What I’m saying is simply that the current system is abusable, and they should think about how to improve it to better keep enforcing the rules against those who deserve it, while not allowing people who didn’t to get punished simply for the numbers that can be people abusing the system.

In the meantime, I’ll probably work around the issue by just blocking people even more, and letting the bad behavior go on.

As we all know, there are a lot of people who behave very badly who play, and the system only usually probably gets it right dealing with that.

At some point, it’s an issue that raises whether Overwatch is worth playing, versus other multiplayer games that don’t have or allow that abuse.

Games need to learn lessons on this and evolve. World of Tanks, for example, used to allow typed chat between enemy teams - and it resulted in a lot of abusive chat. I had to report things like slurs hundreds if not thousands of times. They finally limited chat to only within the team, and the abusive chat went to a small fraction of what it had been.

(For whatever reason, Overwatch allows match chat, but it doesn’t seem to have as high a rate of abuse. Though there is a decent amount.)

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Yeah I agree, the whole “mob mentality thing” is pretty cruel. I played Team Fortress 2 and got a ban from a server that I normally played on with no issues… There were a bunch of chatty little kids playing one night, that were mad when I told them to “stop abusing something” ( I don’t recall what it was). i was ULTRA polite and They still, ALL flagged me as a “hateful player”.

I literally got a PHYSICAL kick-ban from the server, not just a mute because of those kids. Which is why I suggested Mute bans, instead of physical bans.I emailed the admin of that server and told him what’s up. After the whole deal of the admin getting my ban removed, it was annoying because the appeals process took forever. I’ve known players here to try and deal with blizzard support on their bans and let’s just say they appear NOT to even bother, they just uphold the ban.

The system does NOT have justice, but doing this from a standpoint of adminning a server for awhile myself. You cannot manage the HUNDREDS of complaints on just one server, that role in per hour. Infact we did the same thing and turned OFF “All chat” because when players died in the games, it was always someone having an argument.

Punishment wise; Mute bans are just alot better to do. Yes it stinks that you cant chat with other players in the match. But you can still at least game.

My best advice in this game (and not to be rude) is NOT to tell people how to play or even comment on how to play… I wish the system would just remove the “leave penalties” all together, as it does a good enough job at backfilling now. That way we can dismiss ourselves from matches that are full of nonsense. I find that 3/4 of the matches anymore, nobody is serious about playing or they shouldn’t even be matched into the game in the first place.

“Frankly, some of the time I DO break the rules responding to especially bad behavior, mostly when people say things especially irritating and rude, I tell them they’re an idiot

Working as intended. Now stop crying and learn from it.

As someone else pointed out: if people report you for abusive chat, chat logs exist that can be accessed. So either you can appeal the ban and ask to see what you said in chat that was abusive to either appeal or get an explanation on why you got that punishment. Since chat logs exist, I’d say there’s a decent chance that you were reported for actually being abusive. The mods saw the chat logs and agreed that your communication was toxic.

If that was the case then 90% of the players in chat would be banned.

It isn’t abusive unless it becomes berating or hostile

I find it hilarious that they have an “inappropriate use of the flagging feature” thread when this is happening.

Woosh, the topic flies right over the head of topgun.