I’m a gm genji main (not otp) and i scrim a lot. i find it pathetic zen doesnt even have to use trans/his ult to counter my blade, in quite a few of my scrims i’ll blade and the enemy team will cower behind a zen in a hallway/tight space and he’ll just kick the sh1t out of me causing me to miss my swings. sure you can say skill diff but how is spamming your melee key and knocking a MELEE ULTIMATE back skill? lets also talk about his 25% dmg boost he can give himself then let off an essentially one shot barrage if hes at all competent at the character hes playing. blizzard needs to get this sh1t together.
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The other day I tear up a bit rewatching Ice Age.
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Doesn’t your blade have a much farther reach than his kick, though?
He does that trash to rein as well.
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he has a hitbox 2.5x the size of you, you can hear his orb volley charging up and its loud, you have 4x his mobility, he has to commit at killing you, while you can just wallclimb/dash away.
it is an uphill battle for zen, and the only thing keeping him from getting m2(headshot) > melee into dash for an insta kill is his kick, so he has a fighting chance and its just not a free kill. zenny has been nerfed twice in a row already.
if you are getting outplayed and focused by a zen it only means you are a high priority threat that zenny has to full commit and be wary of you all the time.
he can no longer orb volley into discord, they made discord velocity from 120m/s to 90m/s to avoid zenny from 1-shotting with discord, they nerfed this part of his kit way back in ow1,
you have the best nano-ultimate in the game, cry me a freaking river. whats next, are you gonna complain u cant kill lucio cause he has boop?
you are correct about rein though, rein cannot kill zenny in close quarters.
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No his hitbox is barly 1% bigger
And his projectiles are 50% larger and 30 mps faster
keep zen’s knockback kick. it’s literally the best thing that has happened for Zen.
It also just means your blading needs more work.
I think you mean buffed twice. Since he did nothing else than discord a tank anyways and he still does that except with more ammo and a lucio boop that has no cooldown.
Also mercy got a dmg boost nerf yet zen can still boost damage at that same level for his entire team. And its basically instantly applied at the range he can throw it at.
Zen makes tanks uninstall the game quite literally. Yet he can kick them for however long he likes since they cannot even hit him long enough even if they have the range to kill him because they dont live long enough most of the time.
The range nerf was to make tanks not get perma discorded and to compensate they added 5 extra ammo.
Except tanks are now often the only targets in his discord range meaning nothing changed except that he has more damage uptime.
He can oneshot any squishy, he has a boop with no cooldown and insane damage potential and just the discord alone on a tank without him shooting him makes them near unplayable.
Besides nearly any support can keep them alive consistently.
Maybe he should actually be a glass cannon instead of a actual hovercraft with a minigun/cannon on top.
The fact he has no cooldown on his kick is stupid. Every single hero with a boop/displacement has it on a cooldown except for zen. Who also does more damage with it.
Edit: also they removed oneshots for basically every single tank and even widow at longer ranges. Yet he can basically oneshot anyone at nearly ashes falloff range and has no movement speed and a ability with no cooldown to displace people that ignores every single defensive utility in the game except for zarya bubble. (And im not even sure if it removes the knockback with a bubble or just the damage).
The fact you cannot outplay his kick because its not on a cooldown is just stupid.
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Why are you replying to me
And i dont like his kick because its just another boop stronger then lucios
Zen is fine. He has bad mobility. You can kill him easily with dive heroes.
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oops. meant to reply to the thread lolll
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keep zen’s knockback kick. it’s literally the best thing that has happened for Zen.
It also just means your blading needs more work.
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Nah that’s a skill issue. His kick is meant specifically to give him a deterrent for flankers. Like Genji.
it’s not at the same level, its 5x better cause mercy’s damage boost is only for 1 person. Zen boosts for your entire team, but its not instant and you can break LoS with zen for like 1.5 seconds, and flank him.
with the exception of rein, tanks got combos, which feels like one-shot, plus Tanks are meant to create space.
zen is unique cause hes not a heal bot, hes a pseudo-dps and its okay for him to have his orb volley one shot which has travel time, can be heard from a mile a way, eats 20% of his ammo(which means you have to reload every 2 volleys otherwise you cant m1 in flank scenarios).
its not ok for him to have one-shots?
hanzo would like a word, assassin junkrat would like to have a word, bastion with his 370 dps on sentry mode would like to have a word, echo sticky-bomb combo into beam would like to have a word, dva bomb would like to have a word.
if you’re going to remove one-shots, you either do it for everyone or you are hypocritical.
the ridiculousness of his request is only highlighted more by illari having knockback and movement on the same skill
boo hoo boo hoo poor genji main.boo hoo
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I’m sorry that you feel entitled to free wins just by pushing Q. Have you considered that this is entirely a 'you" problem?
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ikr you come back as Bastion and kill him and t-bag then type in chat “kick that”
Take his kick away, give him a “spiritual reposition” (tp).
That is exactly what I said? The dmg boost percentage is at the exact same level. Both are 25% except zen can do it for his entire team.
Hanzo is a dps, not a support, so are bastion even though bastion is imo broken with the amount of resources he requires to negate getting 1shot. Echo imo is also broken/unbalanced especially with her getting all abilities back after using ult to not die and she then oneshots you because you cannot outplay it at all.
Atleast with hanzo you can flank him or dive him or speed up the game so he has less time to shoot. Bastion and echo you basically cannot do that against.