Who in their right mind thinks that Flashpoint is better than Clash. I hate this mode, I do not want to touch this mode. I HATE being forced to play it for backfill.
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Bring back good old Clash!
The best thing about the mode for me is that it had quick matches!
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Flashpoint is way better than clash. You may not like it, but it doesn’t have fundamental issues like clash. With the losing team being given nearly free caps to help them catch up when losing. Or being able to win the game while only winning a single point that is even, the other 4 all at an advantage, with 3 spawning right at the point. Being able to win without even pushing to the enemies side of the map was a joke. No wonder if was removed from ranked so quickly.
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I love fighting enemy in their spawn
I don’t see the not capping enemy point as being actually problematic with Clash it’s not much different than for example you deciding not to push the robot in Push so that the enemy team doesn’t get to touch it!
A little bit unintuitive?!
Perhaps!
But bad game design?!
Not exactly!
Hard disagree. Bad game design
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I like Flashpoint and hate Clash 
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how about no, how about bring back clash and remove kings row, we need to stop saying remove this mode cos I don’t like it cos a lot of players do, clash was great and we lost it cos of people who only want to simp for escort
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i’m open to exchange KR for 2cp and clash! Hollywood is exactly the same map but with high grounds.
Unfortunately people prefer Flashpoint over Clash.
Personally i liked clash more.. But there were balance problems. Flashpoint is beyond dull to me though.
Heavens forbid people like Kings Row and escort. Clash had balancing problems which is why it was removed. You can still play it in arcade and customs and stadium if you want to play it so badly
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Because like you said, clash has balance problems. The problems with flashpoint, mainly being the walk between points has been fixed with spawn speed boost, and the point selection no longer being a diagonal, but an adjacent point. Clash on the other hand was never fixed, and just scrapped instead.
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and escort and kings row has major issues too, most maps are defender sided, most are just lanes for spamming, most have very easy to spawns to spawn camp, kings row has some of the worst chokes in the game prime example first point with no real flank options, heavens forbid people actually enjoy the more fun modes instead of the ones streamers told them to
If they need to add those, how about never making them so far in the first place?
And spawning me at the BACK of a huge room? i gotta use a movement ability just to get to the damn door. Zzzzz
I remember they were hyping up flashpoint for so long and honestly, big maps is not what i wanted in OW at all. You mostly fight on the points anyway, at some point its basically just 1cp.
And instead of scrapping clash maps, at least make them into control point maps. Just choose the best 3 points and make a new map out of it. What a waste for wasting hanamura.. twice!!
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No streamer has told me what to like or not like 
I barely even watch OW streams outside having them on tab mute in background for twitch drops. The whole “streamer told them x” is just a weak argument for your hate for modes other people like.
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No idea. Maybe at the time they didn’t think it was so bad. I don’t think the distance is further than like, the distance from first point kings row through the streets to last point. If you get stopped just before that is a forever walk too. But either way, the speed boost fixed it up.
I will certainly give you this one, spawning at the back of the room is odd. And seems to be some spawn rooms.
It’s pretty much koth without rounds. There is some fighting between points, but usually around the next point.
Not totally wasted, still in stadium. Maybe someday they will fix the mode and re add it. Making them into koth would prob require changing a lot outside of the immediate point, and they would need to make 2 other new ones anyways. Since koth has 3 points. Hanamura and Anubis are just cursed it seems.
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and your argument for hating modes like clash and flashpoint is also dumb, ugh they aren’t balanced maps but my fave map kings row is also not balanced but cos its escort its fine, i hate clash and flashpoint cos there’s no lanes and I actually have to run around the map
Where have I said that Kings Row etc is not balanced? All I’ve said is that I don’t personally like Clash and that it was removed by Blizzard due to the mode in their words having issues, the mode is only removed from QP and Comp. It still exists everywhere else so play it to your hearts content over there. You are allowed to like Clash all you want which I respect but I’m not the one claiming that people disliked it because some streamer told them to.
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Flashpoint is simply Control without the wait time between rounds. People who call it a walking simulator never really thought it through. When you die in either mode, you respawn and walk back to point, with the distance being similar in most cases. In Flashpoint, after a successful score, the next point can be across the map, but the time to get to it is not much different from the time you spend idling in spawn between Control rounds.
Remove flashpoint. clash, and control
There no more waste of time thrower maps.