What do you think of the following nerfs for Reinhardt?
*Increase ult cast time from .45 seconds to .6 seconds
*Steadfast lowered from 50% to 40%
Reason: Makes existing counterplay against Reinhardt a little better without decreasing his strengths too much
Id just lower steadfast to 40% and Shield to 1500.
The ult cast time could be a lot longer imo.
I feel like this would reduce Reinhardt v. Reinhardt counterplay? Blocking shatters is a skill, and this would lower that skill ceiling.
The steadfast nerf sounds good.
It shouldn’t be so long that it gets interrupted free and easy though. This is not much less than Sombra’s EMP cast time. Which now feels better and more fair to try to interrupt but also doesn’t get interrupted so much that she’s useless.
Reinhardt’s is justified being a little quicker than hers because hers is less predictable.
I just know even in league, Shatter is mostly counterplayed just by a Reinhardt shield. It’s too fast for even the best to reasonably interrupt it much. I think such a small amount of time would make a significant difference there without impacting the lower ranks at all.
Well yeah it would, but also that was kind of my goal. Right now it seems like the best counterplay to Reinhardt is another Reinhardt. And the other options don’t work that well like Brig, Cree, or Hog. This change is intended to make it more realistic for the very best of those players to counterplay it without needing their own Reinhardt.
I doubt it has much influence on mid and low ranked players.
No
literally no
Why?
Every single stun takes literally less time to cast than an ult?
Why are you giving them more time to react. How is it fair?
its an ult and they have abilities that can stop it if they legitmately see him
When he had 30% stead fest he was legitmately unplayable.
No thank you.
You are making reinhardt garbage and he already has alot of good counters. His ult literally hasnt been changed for ages and it has been the same ever since role que started? why are targetting the ult excatly?
the steadfest passive nerf is too much. Literally before when he had 30% he was still a pinball
Nerf his Shield speed.
revert that buff.
zarya, orisa, sigma, ana, mccree, brig, roadhog, literally everyhero that has a stun counters the ult. but ok
All these cry babies whining that Reinhardt should be the only counter to Reinhardt.
I chose 40% because it is more than 30% but less than 50%. I agree that 30% is too little but I think 50% is too much. I thought the difference could be split.
The stuns have a shorter cast time but it takes a little time for the audio cue to be played and then for it to be registered in your brain. Let’s assume .2 seconds for you to hear it. The average human reaction time is 0.17 seconds to audio stimulus and then I added .03 seconds for latency.
That’s only .25 seconds to target Reinhardt and try to stun him. Less if you have to turn towards him. Then your stun needs it’s travel time.
You’re talking a VERY small window to stun him.
And everytime he’s been meta, his biggest complaint is how the best counter to shatter is another Reinhardt.
This addresses a long standing complaint
Maybe the 40% steadfast might be a good middle ground, but what he needs in general is a revert to his most recent buffs, as in steadfast and shield move speed.
Rein is a close range hero. There are two things a close range hero needs to worry about. Getting close fast and staying close long enough. Both of those got bumped up recently because Blizzard was panicking trying to get rid of Double Shield, not really surprised to see him over performing now.
But we shouldn’t freak out and nerf the parts of his kit that have been balanced and nigh untouched since launch just because of it.
I mean, cool if you believe that, but that still doesn’t say anything about what he’d be like at 40%. It’d still be stronger than what you’re complaining about.
the average human reaction is 0.2s and the average stun time is 0.15s least being 0.05 to 0.17 as the max. An average person can react to the ult in 0.37 seconds and have 0.08s to spare this is a fast pace game, if you cant handle, dont play it. making his ult take longer is the worst possible nerf you can do.
they legitmately did that too sigma btw and thats why he is garbage.
that nerf is big fat nope still.
I think Reinhardt is still one of the overall most balanced heroes in the game, and he’s only as meta as he because the other shield tanks are so underpowered in comparison.
His ult rarely ever gets stunned even in the Overwatch league.
.37 seconds is the amount of time they cannot do anything. .08 seconds is the amount of time they have to decide to do something and then turn around and do it.
Sigma’s ult wasn’t just a simple cast time increase. This is more comparable to what they did to EMP.
the biggest complaint is that he is always meta thats what I notice
complaints go from him having the most shield health and that being not fair
to him having a high stead fest and being able to cover his ground so fast it dont matter.
None of these nerfs are right for rein they nerf things that arent the problem and it will cause him to be clunky
btw need I remind they did same thing with orisa and sigma look where they are at.
if rein goes down that path I can guarntee you dps ques will go up 10 fold for the fact we know how it will end, rein being in gutter.
lets nerf the problem and not anything else thanks.
Nerf lucios speed boost by 10%
or
Nerf Reinhardts Shield speed its absurd and makes reinahrdt easy to play.
it should be reverted or increased to 45%
this way the main issue of what I saw “rein covers his distance pretty fast with shield” gets solved for the sole fact he wont be that fast anymore.
Did you know with speed boost and shield up
he is walking at the same speed without having any speed buffs or debuffs
if they wanna nerf something about rein in case they dont wanna buff orisa or sigma
Nerf that
my best solution
literally BUFF THE OTHER MAIN TANKS
he is strong because rn compared to the other main tanks HE IS OVER TUNED
but in reality HE IS FAR FROM overpowered.
He is far from powerful.
Not quite correct. The average human brain will react to visual stimulus in .25s with a delay actual muscle reaction.
Some typical benchmarks show average reaction time ranges as low as .21 and others as high as .284
The more muscle memory you have the faster your muscles will respond, the more you train for certain visual stimuli, the faster your brain will react. But some will be be better than others.
My son, who is deaf, has incredibly high visual IQ and reacts to visual stimuli much faster than I do for example.
The shield walking speed barely makes a difference in high level play because they are shield hopping anyway.
And with all the damage coming in, especially at low levels who actually make the most use out of that buff, he should be able to close in faster than he was doing.
The enemy should simply be able to make him back off a little more than they are currently able.
I actually agree that his shield health should not be touched.
I saw it get blocked by mei alot and i have seen literally McCree stun him and Oh btw
in owl the meta has one stun hero and lucio has a higher pickrate that him
so if we really wanna talk OWL mei and lucio should be looked at first and not rein but ok 
they increased the intial cast time and area lock and then they made it even easier to counter by making it so you can stun him through the fall downward motion
this essentially killed sigmas ult because in a fast based game you cant have something that has such a high time of effect.
you are making a tank hitbox that stand still infront of you with no shield nada literally be a pin ball with that 0.15s
that nerf is a big fat no. it makes rein clunky and garbage
Those things are way, way rarer than an enemy Reinhardt blocking the shatter.
Sigma’s ult got a massive increase not a small increase. This is literally what they did to Sombra.
no my friend
IT DOES ALL THE DIFFERENCE
And to add to it in OWL shield hopping wasnt even used that much.
for one reason lucio speed boost plus rein speed shield is beyond levels of fast for the tank.
(do consider they reverted the nerf to lucios speed btw)
nothing about his base kit should be touched besides his shield speed debuff.
its a joke rn.
Anything else touch it you need to instantly give him something else because a nerf to his kit ruins its flow and makes him garbage. We dont want what happened to orisa and sigma happen again especially with reinhardt because if that happens prepare for an actual influx of “why are my ques this” threads.