I know Sigma and Ball are meta in GM, and maybe Masters. BUT - these are small ranks where only a tiny percentage of the playerbase exists. And these ranks always have metas. If it isn’t them, it will just be someone else.
Meanwhile the much larger part of the playerbase has a much more severe, much more restrictive meta going on. Rein Zarya is a HUGE problem in diamond and below. These tanks, which many people hate playing, are so incredibly dominant you basically can’t run anything else. And, one of the things you could run before was Sigma, which now will be almost impossible to play.
Please, take care of your lower ranks! Reinhardt is not a fun hero for many people. He should not be played anything like how much he is. He should be nerfed and Sigma and Ball should be left alone. They are very difficult, high skill tanks that honestly should be the tanks that are played in GM. Reinhardt is a overly simplistic, boring, and badly designed hero who honestly does not belong in high rank, similar to Reaper. If Reinhardt tapers out in gold/plat, that is honestly a good thing as the playerbase should be playing more skillful heroes in mid/high ranks.
Reinhardt dominating the tanks is like Reaper dominating DPS. It’s stupid, skill-less, and only happens because he’s buffed to insane levels while other heroes are nerfed into uselessness.
My third most played hero is Rein, my least favourite hero of all 32 in the game. Just because if you play Orisa, Ball, Hog, Dva, Winston or even Sigma you get screeched at all game long. Zarya is permitted only if the other tank already picked Rein.
These same screechers will happily pick flankers that don’t benefit from having Rein, or a trash tier healing comp like Mercy Lucio that sets you up for failure.
If you do pick the comfort blanket it doesn’t stop, you get condescending advice all game like “stop dying”, “walk in, stop being so passive”, “stop being so aggressive you are not DPS”, “you shouldn’t have shattered into the shield”, “you should have blocked their shatter”. Often coming from someone with minimal hours on the hero, who seems to think you have infinite health and shield.
Mercy is played with these rein comps, they’re obviously not designed because of how strong it is otherwise you would run Lucio, there’s no way around it that if you want to play rein brawl you have to play lucio. I can’t see a way in which players who are okay with playing mercy rein zarya are playing the optimal comp
I currently like playing Zarya a lot so I pretty much force Rein Zarya every game. I would play Dva again but she’s trash. And I don’t enjoy any other tank - especially Rein.
This isn’t anything new you’ve said. This is the same thing you’ve been repeating for nearly half of a year now. This balance patch was clearly not for us and they wouldn’t nerf Reinhardt for middle ranks. Even if Reinhardt is picked a lot, he is not mandatory to win (I frequently win without him as do many others), and he is easy to counter.
Sometimes when I play rein I get yelled at by dps to keep my shield up when it’s about to break because they have no idea how it works. It really p***** me off.
Rein zarya is always going to be strong in lower ranks its like the first tanking combo most learn.
We like when rein is meta. We hated when hog, orisa, sigma, winston, or ball is the dominant tank.
Rein is one of the easiest tanks to counter play against. You nerf him he sees no high level play and you revert his buffs and he goes back to being trash tier in the metal ranks and further discourages an already small community.
Hammond and sigma are an issue in low ranks. Sigma more so since he is easier to pickup.
they are only a problem to you because you suck at the game and got boosted by a friend of yours to a high rank. you have a bias against reinhardt and will crucify him any chance you get.
Rein zarya are easy to run over with sigma hammond, hog zarya, hammond winston, hammond dva.
Yeah sure it can be hard since hammond is hard and most people cant hit hooks but that doesnt mean they are not easy to shutdown with those comps.
Reinhardt is a team heavy hero and needs alot of resources to work and even then if the whole enemy team just says focus rein he is easily shutdown.
Correction, he is not fun for you and you are not going to try and put time to learn to counter him.
Yeah sure alot of people hate rein but most of them dont even think he is a problem.
so he should be hit with every cc, have a bad ult, do nothing for his team?
like what is reinhardt doing rn thats badd and so busted?
you fail to mention that. I will tell you why?
because you are
BIASED
No they should have tweaks.
The sigma one they gave is a large nope.
Hammond should get a much harsher nerf
Sigma is not difficult…
Bias 1000
REAPER??
REAPER IS DOMINATING???
ARE YOU OK?
Omg ok I think I lost all of my brain cells.
very valid points as always op.
rein is so easy to understand, easy to play as and counterplay that i dont think the lower ranks will ever let him go.
i feel his ult time nerf made him quite balanced as shatter was more impactful then even gravitic flux.
if he is taken out of metal ranks then he would honestly be trash, i believe orisa would take over.
He has over 30% pickrate (meaning he is played in over 3/5 games) in all ranks below diamond.
Reinhardt is obviously and badly superior to other tanks in low rank and excludes them from play.
He is already played more than Sigma and Ball at my rank (literally twice as much as Sigma, 3x as much as Ball) and these nerfs will just make the discrepancy even larger.
Reinhardt is an overpowered low skill hero that dominates low rank because he’s just a pile of stats with no sophistication. But this means he doesn’t grow with skill, which is why he’s such trash in GM.
He is a BAD HERO and I don’t get why nobody else recognizes this.
I was referring to when Reaper had 50% lifesteal. Right now he sucks, which is better than 50% lifesteal… but both Reaper and Reinhardt deserve some modifications so they don’t suck so much in high rank. But just buffing them like crazy was a terrible idea.
No, they’re not, go suss the pickrates/winrates out on Overbuff, Rein is not only getting picked a lot more, but is also having a lot more success in the lower ranks
Thats a broad accusation against OP, got any evidence for it?
The problem is, when you get so much more value for your team, Rein is a lot better to play until you start getting into an ELO where people know how to play with other tanks, it’s not about countering, it’s about playing the best to match the conditions of the rank you’re in, being in a mixture of ranks, I’ve found I had the best success with Sombra in Diamond, oppose to Plat because people would protect me when I EMP’d so I wouldn’t die or have to teleport as one example
While OP is definitely biased, you’re also biased against OP and are opposing everything he says as such
I agree with you here, Sigma nerf was over the top and the Ball nerf was a slap on the wrist
That is a subjective statement
just like this is a subjective opinion
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OP is 100% wrong with this statement but dude, you don’t need to be so condescending about it
They’ve done this once before. Mercy was once completely obligatory in low ranks. But they made her mediocre for years (50 hp/s) and it fixed the problem. People played other supports and Mercy eventually lost her title of default/mandatory support.
Reinhardt either needs to be reworked so he’s not so powerful in low rank but so crap in high rank, or just be made to be kinda bad like other pub stomp low skill heroes are.
I was referring to when Reaper got 50% lifesteal and completely dominated the game. This is what the current situation with Reinhardt is like. An unworthy and overly simplistic hero who is easy to play to a basic level but doesn’t really have anything BUT a basic level was buffed to such insane levels he was used at high ranks. It is miserable in low rank because that hero has such a huge advantage they are basically unbeatable unless you are a master player on a more difficult hero. Which, at low ranks, you are not. And you don’t have a teammate who is.
Although, Reaper is not nearly as bad as Reinhardt as he has better counters and is more skill-dependent.
So because he is picked alot he is op?
thats your logic?
No he is not. not because you say something a 100 times means its true.
And do note that pickrate means nothing btw when the role has a few heroes and that role is subdivided into 2 different classes within itself.
Tank literally has 8 heroes 4 of which are main tanks and the other 4 are offtank.
Low ranks have a mindset of a main tank and an offtank so a main tank will be always picked.
Rn orisa and winston (2 of the main tanks) are comepletely garbage (Orisa hammered by nerfs and Winston gets completely countered by the plethra of nerfs)
They can work and I have made them work before, but you need to be so good on them and the enemy cant have their counters or they are not useful and they require alot of resources to be good and callouts which low ranks doesnt have.
THEY ARE NOT BEING PICKED BECAUSE THOSE TWO SUCK NOT BECAUSE OF REINHARDT
literally ask anyone and they will tell you this NOT BECAUSE REINHARDT.
he is played more than sigma because sigma is 1 hard and 2 he comes and goes because he is a problematic tank so gets a bunch of nerfs on him. have you noticed how you are the only one who complains about rein who is gold. and alot of other gold players if they do complain about a tank they complain about sigma?
maybe because sigma is more problematic?
Hammond is one of the hardest tank heroes to play. I give him that. but he is also one of the heroes if you nail his mechanics you will skyrocket in sr.
the higher you go in rankss the higher his pickrate rises. and thats because HE IS BY FAR THE BEST TANK. he offers everything a main tank does. and some stuff a offtank can offer as well as damage.
because you are biased individual who I sometimes hope gets banned for 1000 years of the forums because your posts are inflammatory and showcase nothing of valaue.
the only thing you gave me to prove reinhardt is “op” as you say is his pickrate in ALL/ALL on overbuff.
didnt bother to tell me even his average winrate of 52% which SHOWS how he is not op.
The hero is not low skill. the hero is not op. you are bad and need to get good. is all.
He is picked a lot because he is op, people don’t want to, they just have to.
It’s like pulling teeth to get people to play this boring hero in QP.
The rest of this, is not worth replying to. I have no idea why people justify any hero being picked this much for this long. Most of them are just DPS players who want their pet Reinhardt on their team and have zero regard for the experience of playing tank.
Reinhardt is trash. what are you talking about. you get gunned down by hog, sig, orisa, bap, zen, snipers, hitscan, flying heroes, and every single hero in the game and your shield will be destroyed before you even get close. Even having just a zen on your team, you hard counter rein already.
