Lately I feel that the team without a Rein simply doesn’t have as much “presence” as the opposing team that does have a Rein. I don’t know how to define “Presence” exactly, except to say that you need it if you want to capture a point.
I mainly play support. If my team doesn’t have a Rein and the enemy team does, it just seems to me that my team can’t get close without dying. Sigma just spams orbs aimlessly into a 1600 hp shield. And if your tanks are Hog + D. Va, forget about it.
I don’t know what’s changed compared to the past 3 years, but I never felt this big a gap before. The sheer presence of Rein. I used to feel it with Orisa, but now I see my Orisa getting deleted so fast that I can’t heal enough. And if the enemy Rein walks into her with a Zarya…fugeddaboutit.
We need some other tanks with a comparable PRESENCE.
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Why are you trying to get close?
I actually get what you mean sort of
Orisa has no threatening appearance
i made this way back in 2018 back when she god awful at the time i put it down to no enemy actually repsects her space.
lucio and rein just speeds into her and overwhelms, hanzo lunging into to me to use storm arrows. everybody want to get into your personal space.
while things did improve for a while and though its not as bad as it used to be its starting to get to the point where enemys are confident in just walking into you to get a third of their counts as crits on her torb sized crit box.
orisa depends on her team to hold the line with her and help cover her weakness especially from her tank buddy which which is why hog made a good duo with her you dont want to get close to hog
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I think the problem is constant nerfs to his competition combined with the fact that dps and support players don’t think critically about team composition and will push as if they have a rein even though they are running non rein tanks.
If you have a ball, or dva, or Orisa and you actually support them. As someone who plays alot of ball I can attest that there are dozens of times I tried to hand my dps players kills on a silver platter but they were positioned at the choke instead of following up even though I spam push forward and 3,2,1 before going in to make my intentions obvious
And support players who position themselves super passively to the point where they can’t add there cooldowns to the team fight.
adapt your own playstyles around what your tanks enjoy playing instead of trying to force them into rein jail.
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Nope, your team wants you to play a shield tank so they can hide behind it and feel safe.
If you dont play a shield tank, they have to take their survival into their own hands, and that makes things difficult. They have to play better.
No no, cant have that.
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I get what you mean about Rein, though tbf hog has presence as well. His hook shot combo is scary and definitely makes you wanna back off.
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Brawl is the only comp where you can actually just sit in front of the enemy team for an extended period of time. People think that IS overwatch, just because we see so much Rein/Zarya. Its kind of funny hearing people complain about players never switching, but ask for Rein 100% of the time.
Dive tanks - They actually make more space than Rein, but there is a smaller window to act on it. If you can learn how to be in position for their dive, fights will end faster and therefore, will be a lot easier.
Poke tanks - You are playing with 2 extra dps. You dont have the same “presence”, but you have this kill zone that spans a massive amount of the map. Its harder to push in, but you can get picks even if you dont.
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I still don’t enjoy playing Rein but it is funny walking onto an objective and the enemy team just backing away scared so you cap it without really doing anything. Played a Hanamura today where we held point A until their final push, their Ana nanoed their Winston so he jumped in, I left my team to deal with him and just shielded the gate. None of them would walk past me and the Ana’s healing was blocked by my shield so their Winston died. In the end they solo gravved me (?) and shot my shield, then time ran out and we won.
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Nerfs to other tanks and huge Rein buffs a while back when everybody laughed about them.
Reinhardt is the true gentleman’s choice of tank. That’s why I pick Roadhog.
That’s when you know you’ve done your job – when the entire team folds as you just walk forward.
I’m not trying to get close. I play Ana. I want to stay as far away as possible.
The only tank that should really have more Presence than they do right now, is Orisa. She’s the only other real Shield Tank. Winston and Ball are Dive Tanks with ~personal shields to empower their dives. Dva and Sigma are Counter Tanks with shields to counter specific mechanics.
Orisa needs more presence. She seems woefully underpowered right now. The weird thing to me is there seems so many ways to fix her, without just resorting back to Double Shield Tank meta (which is presumably why she was trashcanned).
Any of these could make her viable again:
- Buff her shield health (duh, but needs to be said)
- Increase her DPS, she has presence because your dead before you through her shield
- Give her Fortify a frontal knockback
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I would agree in general, if the Rein player in question wants to be “present” for his team. Then sure.
But if the Rein player acts recklessly and charges in constantly, then it’s his absence you’re gonna feel.
Don’t his weakness is that he can’t engage from range. Poke him from multiple angles, use high ground, and find ways to hit his body not the shield.
If you fallow that, then rien just will never be able to engage you.
Tanks need buffs, that’s all. They need big shields and heavy tankyness to really be on the battlefield. Hamster needs all of his nerfs reverted, D.va needs her old DM back, and Hog needs his heavy damage, up to 225 per shot back (because let’s be honest - that’s the only way you’d respect his space, and no, buffing TaB won’t do a thing).
That’s why Rein feels the most powerful of the cast - he still has big shield (unlike Orisa or Sigma), he has high reliable damage up-close (unlike Hog or D.va), he has some way to survive CCs (unlike Hamster with his shield nerf or Winston, because he dies to everything) and his ult feels powerful (despite being nerfed).
I would hardly disagree… Zarya is most likely the strongest carry tank. Winston would be pretty good, but unfortunately McCree and Hanzo and Hog just annihilate him just looking in hisgeneral direction.
I actually agree with those reverts. Usually I think tank is fine, but if I had to make 3 changes, those would be the ones.
Then what’s the issue, why would anyone be getting close to a rein
I mean, he is a huge german guy with an even huger shield walking towards you.
When he puts his shield down a muscly russian defends him making both of them more aggressive while also Rein gets his shield back a bit and Zarya gets stronger.
Really, said “presence” isn’t even about being a strong or weak hero lol
a big moving target that none of your dps will shoot at because they are 1v1 sniper with the enemy team. leaving you to 2v1 the enemy tanks while your co tank is dead because they left you to get more kills.
sigma can damage with a shield on and eat damage for more
orisa can shoot a shield 90 dagree and have double shields
winston can cut a team or high ground them to death with his team
but rein will cut an uncoordinated team in half every time if at least 2 ppl back him up and he keeps moving forward.
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