He overtook zarya and is still climbing.
How does that NOT show the state of tanks? You know, the hero that struggles to close the gap in GM and is easily abused by CC and high poke is actually the most picked tank in the game (even in GM). Take a look at tournaments, and it’s laughable how quickly rein is getting deleted.
How about we address the damn role once and for all and stops giving them nerfs. Maybe then you’ll actually have a tank playerbase 
Was there a tank playerbase when sigma was at his prime? I seem to remember the queues still being bad back then and it definitely wasn’t because tanks were weak
Do you really think they’d revert the recent Rein’s buffs?
Because double shield is the WORST meta to play tank.
At this point, yes… Sadly.
they have to. steadfast after ball nerf for what?! damage buffed without shatter charge nerf why? rein can charge shatter in less than 60 secs and the only counter is another rein. sigma was somehow capable of stopping it before the nerf.
See? Told you so, look at the post above.
Already people complaining about rein once zarya was nerfed.
Since we know rein will get nerfed now, I’m assuming winstons going to be the next tank to be nerfed. Oh that would be SO funny.
revert +50 armor and +10 damage. then make shatter 3 secs again.
They’re not going to nerf Rein this Thursday. I guess we’ll have to wait 2 weeks again and then maybe they nerf him. There’s also the OWL experimental, so maybe after that (so we will have to wait even more).
Really? I mean, I found my love for Orissa there
I expect the OWL experimental will include Rein nerfs
When do we stop though?
Considering how reins a super easy hero to exploit, with cc and poke damage, WHY should he get nerfed? Are we gonna nerf winston? Because I’m assuming HE’S going to rise after the rein and zarya nerfs. What about dva? Do we just keep going?
I don’t think Rein himself is a problem, the problem is that the other main tanks are just weak all together or, Orisa is honestly the weakest character in the game and basically requires double shield+Bap to be played if she’s on the team, Sigma can hold his own, but with all the nerfs to him, he’s becoming less worth using. As well as I feel the Reaper nerfs made Rein even more of a menace, Reaper went from being able to consistently 1v1 a Rein to now having a drastic losing matchup against him.
If you can weaken Rein out so he’s not meta in Plat and below, it may actually have more of a positive impact on tanking then a negative one
Tanking in those ranks honestly feels like pick Rein or lose and many people are just so over playing Rein that they avoid the tank role altogether
That being said you’d have to dumpster him and I’m not exactly on board with that, but this is one of the biggest reasons people are put off tanking
Buffing DVA would help remedy the problem, but because she does well in OWL traditionally we can’t do that apparently
I actually think most rein mains… or tank mains in general would agree it would be better if rein was weaker in plat and below. But HOW do we do that without affecting his overall performance in higher ranks? You pretty much can’t unless some sort of power shift/mini rework.
I definitely agree dva needs a buff, and I think that could help.
Ok, now you have cut to the VERY heart of a problem which overwatch has.
They balance for high ranked play.
They SHOULD balance for queue times and player retention.
Tanks being strong ONCE your team has got to together will take nerf after nerf after nerf because of high ranks.
But, the queue times will take more and more of a beating while this happens. Because for most of the ladder playing tank is… well… there is a reason it isn’t played much.
We are about to get a pro player patch.
They will of course nerf tanks, because hey - they are strong in THEIR games.
But the player base will take a beating over it, because, bad tanks = bad queue times = more fun and games from the MM to make up for it = worse games = more players leave.
Are tanks REALLY being nerfed because of higher ranks though? Or is it because the devs wrongly thinking that they need to nerf every meta tank?
Tanks have ALWAYS had the highest pickrate when they’re meta, so they look “op”
Whereas supports and DPS tend to have more diverse pickrates, because tank metas are generally VERY strict
Totally is based on feedback from the top players that “tank is the most impactful role”
I mean there is a way to measure impact, but, we don’t get the data needed, even with the massive OWL dataset.
If we could get the ladder data, we COULD make an impact by rank index for each role.
How could that work?
I don’t care what anyone says and how Blizz insists this isn’t an issue but I strongly believe a big portion of it is that
There aren’t a lot of tanks to choose from and we need plenty more
How are you gonna make over half the heroes DPS and then turn all surprised Pikachu face when its the most popular role
I SORT of agree but that’s not the main problem.
For example, supports have WAY longer q times than tank, because it’s way more popular DESPITE support having 1 less hero than the tank role.