No surprise when you nerf the only other two barrier tanks 
Personally, i find that Zarya is the problem not Rein
and overall just sigma and orisa beeing bad
its not about the singular winrate or pickrate, its about the combination of both,
Sure both sigma and orisa have in between 55-55% winrate alongside Rein and Zarya
But both rein and zarya have triple or quadruple the pickrate of sigma and orisa, meaning that there is a very glaring problem here,
the higher a character is in pickrate, the closer his winrate should be to 50%, because if they are picked in every match, then one rein loses, the other one wins,
Look at previous metaās and tell me how this was ever different.
Be happy it isnāt 100%ā¦
sadly it wasnt,
doesnt mean its not a problem though, OW has this issue where the top meta picks have nearly 100% usage, and the rest are bad, this is mostly caused because whoever is meta gets smashed with a sledgehammer on the face and left to rot for a month or two
they really should try to get more equalized metas
That would require more overlap.
But they want every hero to be completely different from another.
its not really about overlap, just preventing this:
if they didnt sledgehammer the competition, then the difference wouldnt be so huge
If there was more overlap, you could actually get away with not playing specific heroes. Look at Baptiste and Ana rightā¦ Imagine if Baptiste had an anti heal or heal amp effect and an alternative to sleepdart instead of immortality field.
Yes, they would be very similar. But you could actually substitute Baptiste for Ana where some of Anaās key utility is required. Vice versa.
You mean āI didnāt know the zarya rein combo was so strong it prevented most other tanks from being played together.ā
Yeah Iām not trying to say rein isnāt meta, heās trying to say rein is a must pick oppressive dominator who if you pick any tank but him you will lose.
The point I was making is that the other tanks are still holding up to them without dipping in winrate, the point is more tanks are playable now then previous more restrictive metas, and theyāre all doing well, while there is one clear winner comp - itās not a MUST to have rein - and I agree, Zarya is a mega contributor to the current meta. The bubble is just the right kind of anti CC measure that makes her applicable against so much since so much power in some heroes has been shoved onto landing their CC and a bubble of nope to CC ontop of doing that damage is just very strong, and if she can be run in behind a brawler like rein, she becomes VERY strong.
Being able to block shatter/sleep/anti/boop/flash/freeze while sending a minion in with that basically CC immune, thatās strong in any game, and can make a mundane hero powerful in their stead, as well as comboing with them and focusing down targets, Zarya puts out alot.
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Well from my experience, in most situations rein wins the trade against any other tank honestly,
its not like crazy that you cant win, i have completly dominated enemy reins as sigma (and sometimes orisaā¦although shes kinda a lot harder) but you are at a severe disavantage honestly
Youāre right, All those times Rein and Zarya were being picked during double shield was so much! /s
Yeah and thatās most likely a rank based experience - out of pure curiosity where is the experience from on the ladder? c:
I suck at sarcasm, but honestly, during double shield plat and below were still playing Rein mostly because he is easier for them to use rather than missing their shots on better heroes*
The curse gifted to us by anti skill advocates ended up locking the majority of players out of higher skilled heroes without losing more game than they would win if they picked the easy mechanically inactive heroes since that way they can do as much damage as a GM without having an aim requirement. Perfect example for never doing it again - turns out when you afford easier tools that work on par they just get used to bash the players who find them less fun to play than the others.
Itās always Reiny in plat chat.
Yeah, I seem to see Hog on both teams almost every game lately. Iād love to play barrier tank alongside a Zarya instead of having our Hog be a giant ult battery in some situations but Hog is just easier to get value out of for average players.
Yeah, youāre sarcasm game is a little off but being serious here.
The problem with the tanks is people want a ābalanced metaā with them but that would require to enforce more rock, paper, scissors. Yet, the skill advocates donāt want that cause āmuh skillā should trump over their counters.
To add to the problems you have a forum/community that complains about anything meta whether they are balanced or not[more so if they require less skill]. In which the get sledgehammer nerfed, while the forums/community has a shocked pikachu face when a meta they donāt like appears.
Huh? are you asking where the experience is from, How the experience is On the ladder, or what rank i am? i dont understand
ill respond to all three:
Rank wise i play in plat, thats where my MMR is arround
For how it is on the ladder, Frankly i havent touched ranked for a while really(and now with hero bans im not bothering until that thing is gone), i stopped playing for a few months then came back a few months ago so my experience mostly comes from whathever gamemode outside of comp ive been playing, mostly QP, regardless of how questionable that sounds, i wouldnt be saying it if i just had seen it in 3 matches in qp and was like āoh ye zarya op rein op lolā, ive talked with a bunch of people of my inner circle, and a lot of others from the forums and they all seem to agree, the stats also seem to line up, as well as my own theorycrafting (i do this a lot to understand the game better) as well as multiple workshop tests and feedback to my own suggestions, And wellā¦the current meta all point towards there beeing a clear inbalance in between the comps
from a purely subjective and annecdotal evidence, Every time i see a sigma or orisa solotanking and i pick rein, generally i easily overrun them, and vice versa (especially with orisa, with sigma i can Generally stop a solo rein, But if zarya is arround its futile)
Hereās the issue though; Rein and Zarya are the only valid tank combination right now because every other tank combo is so weak. Nerfing Rein and Zarya isnāt going to make tank games better.
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I love Rein Zarya, supporting them is just the kind of Overwatch games I prefer to play. They force the team to work as a team. People who donāt like that, I question their motives. Now if tank players get tired of playing them that will be a problem, but I really havenāt heard that complaint much - whereas I heard it all the time with Orisa/Sigma.
i personally have no problem with Rein/Zarya (although i find that zarya invalidates a lof of the skill rein takes simply because she can make him so forgiving due to her bubbles)
But having them be so overpowered that my prefered tank choices (or any other by that matter) are completly overshadowed by that combo it just becomes obnoxious
This, Steadfast is still busted at 30%, and even without Steadfast the rest of the tanks are below his level. Orisa needs a shield revert at least for meta diversity, sheās the only other anchor tank that worked.