what is going on here
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Now where all those people go saying rein and specially Zarya is balanced and you have bad positioning and suck.
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With Rein’s revert, he’s now balanced and so is Zarya.
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Zarya is the healthiest tank for the game and that’s been so apparent this week since she’s been banned.
All the double shields came out.
Roadhog is everywhere.
I never knew that Zarya held back so much cancer from being meta. I need her back.
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Kinda how it goes with metas, if you don’t use them you are at a significant disadvantage, because metas pop up because they are either a more effective combo offensively or defensively at the time - because their team comp is cherry picked to work in the most situations you will have to play “Better” to beat them with off meta.
As sad as it is, it’s not new that a meta is most of the pickrate 
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Reins nerf was pointless and did nothing. The only reason he is not mandatory this week is because Lucio is banned. Lucio and Rein are the core to the meta. I would frankly undo the recent nerf and just take 400 off his shield and that playstyle dies but Rein survives.
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Zarya - in EVERY GAME I play.
Rein - In EVERY other GAME I play.
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I find Zarya very fun to play and she is a very swell character in my opinion. I didn’t pay attention, but huh. Never realized she was picked that much.
If Zarya get nerfed or “balanced” I’d be pissed. Every tank I started to main got nerfed when I played them. First tank was Hog. He got nerfed (this was a long time ago) 2nd tank was D.va. I just stopped playing her at some point since she had so many counters. 3rd was freaking ORISA. They noped that out of there. All of this was a while ago though
Now I enjoy playing Zarya. Would be freaking funny.
Clearly, this is why people are successfully picking Orisa and Sigma and Winston. Oh, wait, no they’re not. You still lose immediately for picking anyone but Reinhardt.
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No - you don’t… As a tank player I think I’d know if I lost most of the games I play >.>
The hyperbole is not helpful :l Rein is best right now but not by so much as you think, he’s still interchangeable with other tanks, even roadhog or ball if you like to play aggressive - REALLY loving the roadhog Zarya combo overlate on KoTH especially. If anyone can’t win with any other tank that signals more about how THEY themselves play the game than it does about the balance on tanks.
Just no more exaggerating, there is reality then there is exaggerating because the actual story doesn’t push your point enough and that just takes away from the point you want to make.
You’re observing a meta, and this one isn’t even that restrictive on hero picks being complete crap or complete awesome like say double shield or goats or hogrisa, so why when it’s not that bad does it feel like that to you? As far as how tanks interacted, they’re very freed up to pick the other tanks, as opposed to before the tank combos made the other tanks completely dead and unplayable and actually were more of a must pick many many time more over than the current meta is. The fact you can do that so easily without hard throwing the game is because the balance respective to them is better, it just comes across to me as the “I’m never happy and want metas to shake up more often” approach, and I understand, I love it fresh too, but just be honest about what it is, you’re annoyed that the meta contains heroes and playstyles you don’t like and it’s been that way for too long, and you’d like a change, me too - until mei gets cut in half or deleted or meets some other terrible fate, I don’t want a rein meta because playing him is suffering that is almost purely dependant on your teams ability rather than my own 
After that thing gets out of my way I’m gunna enjoy playing Rein way more - To be flatly honest, I’ll probably be playing him off meta more often than i play him when he is actually a meta pick just because people won’t be permalocking mei to punish Reins for existing >:C
But I thought restricting player choice with hero pools was suppose to prevent these kinds of dominating metas 
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Because, even in mid rank QP where I mostly play, we get absolutely steamrolled without a Rein against a Rein. And the Rein obviously carries, getting most of the kills and doing most of the team’s damage. It’s ridiculous.
And I used to play tank. As a tank, I am a good Orisa and Wrecking Ball player. Orisa is, and feels, absolutely worthless right now. Worst hero in the game by a mile. Wrecking Ball isn’t that bad but is decided poor. And Reinhardt is the one tank I don’t play. I hate playing him and I’m bad at it. Yet, right now, if I tank it’s clear that I do best on Reinhardt by a large margin. It’s just by virtue of having one, you win games you don’t even remotely deserve to win.
When I do the best on tank by playing the one I’m the worst at and do the worst by playing the one I play the best, something is really, fundamentally broken in the game.
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Make some of the other tanks useful.
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You know how many times people in QP refuse to shoot Rein’s shield. I go out of my way to always target his shield. Most of time I’m alone doing it.
Like Nicki said: “I just sit back and observe.” 
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Yeah but even down there, the only thing rein has more of is pickrate, the others winrates are staying steadily around the same, they’re not losing when picked.
Figure it’s more of your perception of not having rein giving you a negative outlook so you don’t try as hard? It’s not extremely rank specific most ranks every tank does well bar winston because heals and damage and CC are just abit too strong for him to compete lately - He’s not even close to the territory of previous metas in how much of the win condition rests on him being picked or not and the tanks aren’t like 57% winrate on one pair and the others are stuck sub 50 at GM like during double shield where things were actually near enough mandatory - the game is so much healthier than it was at that point, you’re just frustrated - and I get it, if you’re playing these meta tanks, zarya is kinda fun, but rein… well it ain’t fun being controlled even if it does net you a win every now and then where you wouldn’t have if you didn’t play him - but that every now and again would be maybe 1 out of 5+ games.
No, Rein does not grant undeserved wins. He’s not invincible. If you play well, you beat him, he is less punishable, but not unpunishable - and it’s not even mechanically charged that makes the difference, Rein is the broad side of the barn >.>
Also no, she’s one of my must plays in junkertown point A Ilios: well Numbani defense point A and more. She’s pretty decent since the rebuff of her damage.
Well considering ball is more of a masters+ hero pick it’s not a surprise that ball kinda sucks down there, he’s really good up there, some people would even call him broken or unfair he is that good on certain maps where the layout just favors him so much, but ball is far from even kind of bad, it’s just the quality of the players at the rank your at that makes him appear of poor performance.
Well, if you play anything, you can play rein, Rein is easier to get a handle on thanks to it being mechanically unchallenging, maybe you just overvalue your competence with orisa comparatively to Rein - if you land your damage with Orisa well then you well overcome the curve of healing, but I’m assuming since you talked about rank being lower your in the gold plat bracket and their aim isn’t great, which makes Rein clearly better for them as it’s easier to use with their limited skillsets, while auto fire with projectile leading is not their strong suit and the healing curve constantly eats their progress away because they miss too often - it’s actually the people who wanted the mechanics of a game to not matter that cause that kind of problem, they wanted to play with the good players without learning what the good players learned, which is fair enough, but the consequence is that the game needs to be “Balanced” in a strong players environment which means actually makign the game make sense if it is played properly, meaning with rein, if you swing, you do basically the same damage a grandmaster rein would be doing because it’s harder to miss a swing than it is to hit one, and with Orisa you’re given hundreds of pin point chances to miss that travel slowly and you fall behind “Balance” and succumb to a more mechanically inactive hero since they get the benefit of doing the damage of a mechanically active hero without actually having to be mechanically active
Good old skill argument will probably rage on forever, that is just a consequence that most players will be stuck with since low ranks get abused by these heroes and if those heroes aren’t viable in the top end the whole ladder from GM to bronze screeches about how X hero is X thing and that skill shouldn’t define if the hero is playable up to the top tiers and yada yada this is a “You can’t have your cake and eat it too” situation, they want the game to cater to unpracticed players to make them feel welcome, and the same unpracticed players are the ones punished by what they wanted to have, this is the effects of having easy heroes - even if gamesense is a complex and worthwhile skill we should acknowledge, giving people accessible tools farms the casual players. It never made sense to me, the game should all around be way harder than it is on some heroes to stop everything below diamond getting farmed by stupid things they aren’t good enough to stop, by giving them access, there is a lot of restrictions that come from it.
And that’s basically everything wrong with Rein at those ranks, he is too easy, like brig was too easy, like moira is too easy - they act as skillchecks none of you are clearing at the lower ranks, by making these heroes so bad players can play, you created another whole host of heroes that low ranks just get punished for playing, and since that splits it down the middle of mechanically active heroes vs easy skillcheck heroes the environment to LEARN the skills that would take you to new heights can’t really be fostered without drastically lessening their chances of winning and that forces them onto mechanically inactive heroes where their progression stagnates, the fate of having easy to duel with heroes is that over 80% of that games playerbase gets farmed by them while the others are in the top ranks.
A lesson to be learned here, to afford another crowd liberties (like say playing the game without learning all the aspects), they are being taken from someone else (like say the people who want to learn the aspects of the game that will take them to the next level, but since we gave the other crowd the accessibility to it, you lose access to that, and yes it is unfair on newer players THE MOST, which is always why I thought it was stupid).
Long enough for a TLDR; You can’t miss with Rein, you can miss with orisa - you won’t fall beneath the rate of healing if you use rein, but if you miss with orisa, you do fall behind and you putt out, the game tried to appeal to players like skill was some evil thing and giving you easier to use heroes would be better for most people, but it created a game where most players are hard punished by it in a very frustrating way, so blame the anti-skill elitists for that, the low ranks being rooted by that is their fault.
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I know he does, because I can win on him (more than other tanks in fact) despite hating him and being the worst at him of any tank. His kit carries the load.
I used to do great on him. The nerf ruined what was a mediocre hero already.
And it’s not that Rein is a skill check or something. Skill checks stop owning the game at some rank, but Rein owns it all the way to GM. And even good Orisa player is functionally worthless right now. He’s overpowered whether you acknowledge it or not.
That was back before the Sigma & Orisa nerfs, I believe.
I would rather have Rein and Zarya than Sigma and Orisa. This may seem repetitive but double barrier was hell.
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No, you just win on him more because he is easier to use.
You hating him has nothing to do with how well you play him or not.
I play at GM, I just finished telling you this is the LEAST RESTRICTED the meta has been in terms of being bale to pick many different tanks, don’t confuse meta with must pick.
It IS a skill check for you, however, I can play any tank except for winston to great effect currently at GM because the heroes that require you to consecutively hit shots with mechanical requirements, I’m well versed in them, Rein doesn’t dominate me, and I’m not special or even good, I don’t even think I deserve to be in GM with how much my aim looks like I’ve done some illicit substance and cant stop shaking with the most spastic but surprisingly accurate aim.
The difference is the skillcheck - it’s the problem with having easy heroes.
That’s why when metas that don’t involve reinhardt occur at higher levels of play plat and below are still playing reinhardt.
It’s the skillcheck, you guys default to him when he is off meta, and when he is actually the meta, you panic because he’s not just easier to play, he’s actually easier to play AND better at the same time.
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