Firstly, higher-ranked players. You guys need to understand the game doesn’t revolve around you. I’m sure you work very hard for your rank, but the thing is, without the 99% there would be no overwatch; especially if you’re a streamer. It’s amazing to see how many streamers blatantly insult their fanbase. It’s getting pretty annoying seeing this attitude, yet so common. It’s time you guys stopped shunning lower-ranked players opinions, because the reality is that there would be no overwatch without them. Also, despite your knowledge for the game, you aren’t perfect, and you do indeed have a bias which will ultimately effect game balance.
Lower ranked players, you guys need to understand that higher-ranked players work their butt off to get where they are. They also understand a lot more about the game. Yes they can definitely be biased (Sometimes even more-so than lower ranked players), but regardless, they DO understand more about the game, and I think you should accept that.
I think we just need to put ourselves in each others shoes when discussing these sorts of things. Higher ranked players, imagine if you were working your butt off with 2 jobs, came back to play OW maybe an hour a day. It’s so important that these people get the fun they deserve!
Lower ranked players also need to think about all the huge time higher-ranked players put in to get there in the first place. I know streamers can put like 12 hours a day or something like that. It’s important they get the credit they deserve.
I’ll admit I’ve been a bit more sided with lower ranked players recently, because I personally know some awesome hard working people who have limited time playing OW, but after watching some streamers and the effort they put into this game, they deserve credit for what they do.
I hope maybe we can all get along a bit better and understand each other better.
Because the reality is that this turf war won’t accomplish anything at all.
It gets annoying when I see fellow GMs think they rule the world and everyone should listen to their word just because they have a high SR. Yeah, they’re good at the game. But they are still human, so they still have bias and favoritism on certain heroes.
I disagree. Low elo players need to be treated like unreliable bots. You can’t trust them, they are often a waste of your resources and in some cases being near them is worse than being away from them ( an Overwatch anti-pattern where being near teammates is usually an advantage). They also spout off some of the worst advice I have ever heard. Still, they are people so no need to be rude to them.
Dude you have to be one of my favorites on this forum. You’re so switched on, no wonder you are GM!
I love it when people are reasonable like yourself (no pun intended), because the reality is that extremism gets us nowhere. Sorry to bring politics into this but it is why extreme right and left wing will never get anywhere (except for VERY exceptional circumstances e.g chinas state in 1949). The thing is that the devs are not extremists (For example, some people think genji is this overpowered monster who’s picked every game) which simply isn’t true, and most people can see past that and see the flaw in that argument.
The reality is that extremeism gets you nowhere, in fact, it gets you ignored; just like how extremeists left/right are ignored.
Went a bit off topic there (lol), but I’m glad you aren’t some arrogant person who thinks he knows everything bc your GM.
wrong, time does not equal rank. This is proven by the amount of plat gold borders in lower elo compared to high elo where thats a rarity. To be the top you MUST understand the game which not everyone can do with time, simply some were never gonna be the top because they werent meant to. Just like some people absolutley hate school and simply are better at other things
I think as a general rule higher rank players deserve priority on their feedback than people in low ranks, it just makes sense to trust the person with more experience and knowledge. That said, some high rank players have actual walnut brains and shouldn’t be listened to, and some people in low ranks could understand the game at a very high level and physically be unable to keep up
There’s always more to it than rank, I think you can easily tell who is and isn’t qualified to suggest things based on how angry, stupid, and/or ignorant their post is.
I would argue that higher-ranked players tend to be more dramatic and biased because the rank/sense of accomplishment/perceived expertise goes straight to their heads.
And before any @'s me looking for a fight, I’m saying this from Top-500 support at the moment. I’m also really tired and honestly should be going to bed.
Disagree. They understand how to WIN. This does not mean they know more about the game.
I will accept they can play better than I can. As long as I can critically think about problems and solutions the ranking of someone on a ladder will not convince me they know more.
For… practicing a game. Sure. That’s great and all that they’re good at it, but the idea that the large population should automatically kowtow to the few just because they’ve made it their jobs or their livelyhoods is kinda silly.
You all hold the same weight to your arguments until you prove demonstrably that you understand or can argue the case for your proposed “balance” reasonably or logically.
Pulling rank should never be a shortcut to a solid argument.
And yet the game is and should still be balanced from the top down. Balance needs to be based on what the hero is capable of, not what the majority of the player base can do with them. It is okay for some heroes to be good in high ranks and worse in low ranks. And vice versa.
Regardless of what I want out of Overwatch, the common request to make Overwatch more generic FPS and less unique via its balancing seems to be the way the game is going. Unless you are Ana, Ana is allowed to be both mechanically demanding and super cc powerful always and forever. I’m exaggerating of course, and I love to play Ana. But still, she seems to get away with carrying hated traits because they’re staples.
I’m a little worried about the future of tanks as they seem to be transitioning to favor being fat DPS gradually, but the devs could surprise me with reworks that feel natural. Generally though I’m worried that many of the high tier players who understand the game more deeply simply think the game should play less like itself. That they want to strip Overwatch of things that make it unique. Maybe I’m worrying too much.
As for super low tier players; I’m less sure what’s being complained about the most. If gold is in that low category with silver and bronze then I guess what I hear the most when I play are complaints about Moira, Pharmercy, and for some reason still, Bastion. Or you get a cowardly team in comp claiming that you’re out of position with Reinhardt when while occasionally true most of the time it’s just them hanging back too much and not following you. Totally not based on a real and recent example.
How i see it is if its mccree the opinion is the same across board, but if its a widow or reaper the opinion across the ranks changes drastically, this is were devs have their work cut out in finding truth.
You trust me?