Ranking up issue

So I’ve been playing competitive a lot recently and have been struggling to rank up as support. As Bridgette, I’m averaging 13,000 heals, 7000 damage, and 8-9,000 MIT (per game). As Moira, I can average 9000 damage 8000 healing in a quick match, more heals if I play her longer. I’m stuck in bronze no how many wins I get it. I usually get about five wins in, and 3 to 4 losses before it “rankss me up”. By ranking up, I mean I go from bronze one to bronze three or four.

I’m very frustrated with this, as I have looked up different stats for support in different ranks and noticed that mine are much higher than they should be as my rank is suggesting. When playing tank or DPS, I can do significantly worse, yet maintain a higher rank easily.

I average around 11,000 healing per 10 minutes as a Lucio, 8000 as brigette, 8000 as Moira, and 7000 as kiriko. I even have gotten POTG more than usual as support, as I have had to carry a lot of team battles at this rank.

What do I do? I’m perpetually stuck in bronze as support and feel like I should be ranking up.

Respectfully - your stats mean little to nothing for your rank. Blizzard has confirmed in dev posts that stats aren’t taken into account at all in regards to your rank… We do know though at least on some level they do matter if we are talking about people who are like top500 streamers doing an unranked or bronze to gm challenge because they can get to top 500 in very few games compared to a normal player… how ever that obviously won’t apply to you.

^ Reason I tell you that is so you can stop worrying about your stats on a game to game basis. It’s very possible to carry games while doing little to no damage and also its possible to carry games while doing little to no healing… an excellent mercy for instance could always be boosting the right team mate at the right time and thus score all kinds of fight winning elims without ever doing any damage or healing, just like an excellent lucio might know exactly when they should be using speed boost to secure elims he won’t get any credit for plus his ult can completely turn the tides of team fights while also not scoring him any points on the tab page as far as healing / elims etc goes. There’s also something to be said for knowing when to play the objective / move cart etc and voice coms and none of that is ever factored in the game score or even really seen by anyone.

What you need to do in order to figure out why you aren’t climbing in bronze is to go to your career profile > write down “total number of games won” as a support… That number is right on the front page of your profile - no searching needed.

So for example lets say you’ve won 50… so write down 50/ XXX where “xxx” will be your total of all games played. Unfortunately blizzard doesn’t tell you your total games played, you gotta dig.

Now individually click EACH and EVERY support hero that you ever picked this season whether you even left spawn or played it for any significant amount of time or not and you need to tally up your total games played… That for example might look like this:

Brig 55 games (DO NOT bother with number of games won, or even her win %, it doesn’t matter)
Moira 20 games
bap 4 games
lucio 3 games
kiri 1 game
mercy 0 games (yes, even if you think you never played the hero click anyways and confirm it’s 0 games EVEN if you could swear you played that hero…)

etc…

The reason you need to click through every single hero, and why win rate on an individual hero doesn’t matter is because for example some games you might play 3 or 4 different hero’s all in 1 game. Obviously on your career profile it’s not gonna count as 1 game played for each mercy moira brig and lucio right? 3 of those hero’s will get 0 games played as credit, and one of them will get 1 game played.

Now check your games won vrs your total games…

In this example you are 50/83 so your REAL win rate would be 60% which is excellent but this was just an example, let me explain what to make of these numbers now:

First of all, if you’ve played less than 100 total comp games ever - you just need to play more games of comp in order to climb. Period. Regardless of your win rate you just won’t be climbing much if at all if you are super casual. 100 games over the course of an entire season is like on average maybe 1 or 2 hours total a week and I’d say you really need to play about that much to see any significant climbing.
If you HAVE played the 100+ games:
so if your win rate is sub 50%… Well there’s your answer. You deserve your current rank despite coming here to let us know you did well on your last one or 2 rank up cards. On average you just aren’t winning enough…

If your 50-55% you probably still deserve your current rank but if you keep playing enough (like 100-300 games this season) you should be climbing eventually - Remember even with a 55% win rate if you only played 100 games then technically you’ve only won 5 total games over where you started… that’s hardly anything especially when you consider it’s only +5 games over the course of an entire season! If you were like 300+ games at this point with a 55%+ win rat you should expect regular rank ups until you drop to 50% win rate again and reach the rank you belong in.

If you at 55-60%+ then you should consistently expect rank ups probably every 2 or 3 rank up screens until you start getting into games way too difficult to keep up with. The match maker isn’t designed to allow people to maintain such a good win rate so it will throw you into games like 2 metal ranks higher than you should be in - or give you team mates who are significantly worse than you… If you can STILL carry these games you will rapidly climb (remember my top 500 streamer example? this is how they climb so quickly, they have a crazy high win rate and so the match maker will put them in “impossible games” where either your team mates are well below your skill level or the enemy team is multiple tiers above you… if you still carry the system should rapidly rank you up…)

The opposite to this is also true though… If you some how ever achieve a rank you don’t deserve like letting your cousin play your account and they boosted you to let’s say diamond when you should really be in bronze - I imagine after about a dozen games the system will put you in a game where you should definitely win against like gold players and when you STILL end up failing you will rapidly drop into a lower rank until you are where you belong.

Disclaimer: I’ve been playing since 2017 casually and this is all just my anecdotal evidence and what makes sense to me these days. IMO my theories here kinda explain all the weird sh*t I see in the match maker.

Post back your # of games won and your total games. I’m still revising my thoughts on how the match maker works and what to expect from rank ups so it’s helpful to find out if I’m just way off the mark with this.

GL

Thanks for reaching out I appreciate it!

So far I have 67 wins out of 158. Which brings me to 42.4% win rate. Based on what you’ve said, that makes sense why I haven’t ranked up.

Does this come down to bad matchmaking and bad teams? Or do I just need to improve more? I feel like with the way I’ve been playing I’ve been on a decent incline of improvement since I started. (When I first started queuing support in competitive, I started out as gold one, and continue to stay in that for a while. I lost quite a few games after a slump, and that significantly dropped me, but I feel like I am much better than I was before.)

I don’t wanna pass blame and say it bad teams but it’s starting to feel like I’m being held back some games.

I’ll take any advice on how to play better or win more, i.e. better hero counters, duo or group queues, etc. I can give my account ID too if anyone wants to look at my stats.

Thanks for the help!

Well the thing with “bronze 5” is that even though it’s considered the bottom it’s terribly inaccurate…

In OW1 we went with an SR system. Personally I started at 700 SR which would be like… I think bronze 8?

I won’t go deep into explaining SR since I think they killed that for good even if it was better than what we have today.

The thing about bronze is improving any one thing could make the difference between bronze 5 and silver or even gold. I think understanding the map objective though is the biggest thing you can do as a support hero to influence the games…

So for instance let’s take a hybrid map where you have 1 check point then escort.

The BIGGEST thing you can do in that game mode to increase your odds of being the team which wins the match is unlocked the check point in the shortest amount of time possible. IMO the best way to make that happen as support is to have a team winning ultimate… (keep in mind this is just my opinion but…) Sure you could play what seems to be your main… brig? But how is her ult really going to ENSURE you guys win the fight for the first point? Yes sure its a decent ult and helpful but IMO it’s not the best you could do. You guys are attacking the point and you NEED to eliminate EVERYONE asap. leaving even 1 alive to stall is just taking precious seconds off the timer for you.

For securing check points I always go a support with a “big” ult in terms of enabling my team to clear the point - or doing it myself. So I’d say go ana because nanoing practically anything almost ensures a team kill (think nano blade, nano ramattra ult, nano soldier ult even, nano any combo is gonna be better than brig ult in terms of clearing off the objective).

For escorting the cart a lot of people don’t know about a few factors like for 1 thing, the cart will constantly passively heal your team. I forget if it’s like 5 or 10 heals per sec but it’s very nice to have. Another factor is your attackers advantage… by having 1 more person on the cart it moves 16.5% faster… 2 people it caps at 33% faster. For the escort phase the ONLY factor that matters in winning your game is distance… So having 3 on cart is almost always preferable. Yes you can argue pushing forward creates space for the cart to move freely, so yeah do that when possible but don’t ever underestimate the power of scoring 33% more distance.

2nd factor people don’t think about is again attackers advantage… by outnumbering the number of defenders on the cart you actually influence the enemy spawn timer… So while yes… most people think going and trying to block spawn doors is the answer ACTUALLY the smarter thing to do is camp the cart or final check point because by out numbering the defenders you force them to sit in spawn longer. Again these are HUGE game winning facts that people hardly ever consider in game.

For escorting the cart too I really try to encourage my team to pick hero’s that compliment sticking together so we can all be on or near cart both for the healing output of the cart + the advantage of increasing the enemy spawn timer + advantage of moving the cart faster.

Now if you’re on defense though - You need to ONLY be thinking about how to stall the objective as long as possible at all times. How do you prevent your entire team from dying all at once? It’s a tough ask to assume you guys will hard hold point A on escort because usally attackers have the advantage of being near their own spawn without the long walk back + they get the luxury of saving their ults and regrouping on their own terms if they are playing properly.

IMO i pick my support based on how to keep the team alive through ults… so I like going either mercy for the rez and stalling she can do, lucio for being able to cuck multiple ults like zarya grav and nano blade, or maybe baptist /kiriko if I’m really good at using my immortalities.

EDIT 2: Oh I guess as a personal note too- if you’re newish to OW you should go watch KarQ on youtube. Honestly the way I broke out of bronze in the first place was correcting a ton of sub optimal settings I was playing on. I was playing the game at 30 FPS on a 4k Tv, with max graphics when my system honestly was not good enough to handle that and I didn’t have high precision mouse input among many other things I didn’t know about competitive FPS games let alone OW specific stuff So here are some links to correct that. Plus Practicing IN GAME on an IN GAME aim trainer at least until you are comfortable in this game aiming (just do a couple days worth of like 20 minutes and you should be fine).

Links:

Short version:

LONG version 40 minutes:

And the aim trainer / practice game mode I use (you can test out 1 shot combos with the damage calculator… with mercy pocket / bap window / zen orb etc… it’s very good to practice real scenarios with like shooting a pharamacy as ana etc):

I appreciate the feed back! I definitely understand what you mean by utilizing a good ult.

Your comments have made me feel much better in my current position!! I’m always open to criticism and critique. I want to play the best that I can!

in the grand scheme of things 150ish games isn’t all that much - I wouldn’t be able to tell you specifically what to improve without watching your game play but I can tell you as soon as you make the improvement you need where ever it is that you need it (could be your aim, could be knowing your maps well and positioning) you will likely climb quickly.

TBH in really low rated games if you got cracked aim you can probably quickly make it to silver or gold if you just focus more on DPSing… That might catch you some hate in your games but it’s the truth lol. The quality of your team mates and the level of skill between 1 and 2 metal ranks is so large I promise you will feel it in all of your games to the point the way you play around your team in bronze is something you will have to COMPLETELY disregard and have to relearn how to play with your team in gold. It will be the same every time you go up more than 1 metal rank.

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If you ever wanted to look at my stats, my ID is saladtongs#11835 or shlief on Xbox. I really appreciate all the feedback!!

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Hey btw if you are playing on console in order to level the playing field from what I understand a LARGE portion of the OW community uses xim (a mod for mouse and keyboard) in comp. IDK if that comes with extra cheats/hacks but at the very least if you want to level the playing field you should grab one of those. I’ve never played this game on console but from what I understand it’s basically required if you want to climb in comp.

I’m not encouraging you to cheat - I think that’s lame as hell but IMO I’m not against a mouse and keyboard at all for console… Personally I think by default all consoles should allow mouse and keyboard input, I think they literally only disallow them so they can sell more $80-250 dollar controllers but w/e. Just thought I’d throw the info out there. OW itself does not ban the use of XIM so you might as well use it if it’s an option cuz frankly everyone else is.

I’ll definitely have to look into it, but I will admit I am more comfortable with a controller.

Thanks for the input!

No, this was never the case. Players have tested this to all ends. You can have 3 accounts - play the same heroes on them and after about 70-100 ish games on each you’d end up in the exact same rank on all of them.

nobody is holding you back from using your abilities correctly, positioning wisely and ulting at the right moment.

I also suggest you post a replay of a lost game you think you did well in and ask for coaching - it will open your eyes and mind + help you start climbing.

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Sad but true. The only way to climb on console is to cheat.

Luckily, they are slowly getting there with banning people for using such tools

Personally I think they should all allow m&kB then just match based on input method.

at low ELos it is hard to carry, your teammates are just braindead

you can rank up as a support, however, the matchmaker sucks u always get shxt teammates,(Tanks who feeds/dps who cries about heals when they are behind a wall/ dps with 800 dmg the whole round) therefore u cannot rank up.
unless you can carry games, I would say its very hard to rank up, maybe if u can carry games)

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