Juno edition of course, I ranked them a couple of months ago of course will have an updated list based on Juno’s arrival and balancing changes.
Kiriko: Kiriko
S: Zenyatta, Baptiste, Illari,
A: Moira, Lucio
B: Brigitte, Ana
C: Juno,
D: Lifeweaver
F: Mercy
Feel free to ask me questions over my rankings.
Moira can’t crit. She can be out dueled by a Mercy that can crit. Don’t be putting her with Lucio.
Also, where’s Ana?
Mercy has to land 7 headshots to kill Moira in about 1.5 seconds. Moira can deal 115dps with her suck hand and the orb. If Mercy misses even one shot, Moira wins.
I would bump Moira down with Brig and make Lifeweaver D-tier. Mercy and Lifeweaver are almost even though. The only thing Lifeweaver has over Mercy is that he only has to right click to deal damage and not physically swap weapons before he can attack like Mercy.
Ana is also probably at least B-to-A tier with sleep and nade.
I feel like Brigitte and Kiriko should be on their own. Brigitte can reliably take down a DPS on her own and I can’t imagine any other support being able to deal with her. Shield bash+whipshot does 120 damage burst and from there she just wittles down with her flail. She can shield to recover health between hits.
Brigitte’s shield just offers too much utility in a 1v1 scenario
I wouldn’t say that Kiri is in a tier all of her own anymore. S9 changes hurt her dueling potential, so now she stands along side the other top supp duelists, but she’s not really ahead of them.
I don’t think Brig is comparable to Kiri when it comes to being a duelist. She excels against certain heroes but against others she’s easily dealt with. No other support can really do what Kiri does when it comes to dueling, she can play from aggressive angles and interchangeably switch between angles based on teammates positioning.
Swift step allows her to get in and get out, just like Tracer and Genji can. Headshot burst is some of the highest on support and with the more consistent body shot buff it allows her to win in so much more situations. Suzu is the best self sustain in the support role which allows her to extend the fight but honestly it’s rarely needed due to Kiri’s hitbox + strafe animation giving her a massive advantage in a duel.
I agree to not put Moira with Lucio in “A” tier
But I wouldnt exactly expect to see Mercy regularly out dueling her either. Even with her ability to crit, even at high levels of play, my money is going on Moira over Mercy the overwhelming majority of the time.
Moira is evasive and difficult to kill. She leaches life as she doles out damage. And her primary damage, while not particularly high, is consistent. She is going to do 65 damage per second to you. If she chucks out an orb (and you dont have some defensive option at your disposal), she is going to do 115 damage per second to you.
She doesnt have the ceiling some other heroes do (Which is why I would never put her up at the top), but her “floor” is never as low as theirs either- And theres some big merit to that.
Id put Moira in B tier, personally. Not meta, not “great”, but never terrible either.
Edit: For funsies if I made my own tier list:
S: Bap, Zen, Lucio
A: Ana, Brig, Illari
B: Juno, Moira
C: Life weaver
D: Mercy.
Bap zen and lucio i feel are “consistently” the most threatening supports across the course of a match. These guys are doling out a lot of pressure, constantly. Theyre tough to kill and dole out a huge amount of damage, fast.
Heroes like Ana, brig, and illari are all deadly- But I feel they have more nuance to when/where theyre lethal.
Moira is neither strong, nor weak when it comes to dueling to me. Again she lacks the ability to headshot (though can “kinda” simulate the same effect with a damage orb), but shes never going to “whiff” her damage either. Her strength, and weakness, is middle ground consistency.
Juno is almost an A tier hero to me. Shes got great mobility and is super evasive. Speed ring can let her escape almost any fight, or follow up on any target if theyre low. Her pulsars can work as good openers to ensure you start the fight missing a chunk of health, or secure an elimination in an impressive amount of situations.
But she lacks an “edge” to her. She has no means to heal herself mid fight. Her damage, while nothing to scoff at if shes landing all her shots, lacks any spike damage from a headshot and if youre zigging/zagging shell likely miss at least a few shots in her burst, again removing the edge off her damage. So ya- Nothing to scoff at, but not as fear-inspiring as the bigger on this list.
Life weaver is… niche. His damage can actually be surprisingly high. Hes slippery with his dash and petal. Buuuut 90% of the time hes stuck doling out petals, and it takes him a moment to swap over. Overall, not super threatening.
And mercy is mercy. Her pistol can also be surprising at times- But even with its larger hitbox, its still a slow firing relatively slow moving projectile weapon. It takes a long time to swap to it. Has limited ammo. She cant heal herself on demand. Etc. The nature of her kit means shell be on her staff even more than weaver is on his blossoms. Little threat.
Forum Ana: Forum Ana
Baptiste: Baptiste
S: Lucio, Kiriko, Illari,
A: Moira, Zenyatta
B: Brigitte, Ana, Juno
C: Lifeweaver
F: Mercy
Is this assuming a certain level of mechanical skill? Lucio should be rolling a moira if they can actually land their shots and boop out of heal orb range etc. Lucio can also just choose to leave whenever.
Bap needs to burn a 30 second cool down to win his duels most of the time. He’s broken in a lot of aspects about him but he simply can’t do what Kiri does.
We talking 1v1 or 5v5? If it’s 1v1 the cooldown doesn’t matter. You’re dead anyways before he needs it again
Just overall tbh, in a 1v1 he can win a lot of the times sure but most DPS heroes will retreat when he pops out his immortality field and the DPS passive cuts his Regen burst healing down a bit which makes it harder to really sustain himself.
Second, all Mercy needs to do is see a teammate to GA reset and pistol cap on the way out.
3rd that orb ain’t a reliable DMG combo on certain positions of the map.
For both these heroes in a duel it’s honestly going to depend how many meters the fight is going to start at imo.
If Moira’s got to walk in and not fade into Mercy, Mercy got time to pistol punish her to get in range.
The other supports get the edge because they can get her from range or have the mobility tools to always chase a Mercy.
In a corridor advantage Moira because the orb can have a more reliable path and Mercy gonna have a tough time creating separation.
But outside of Fading in from above or a blindspots, the Mercy is gonna see her coming.
That’s how I see it from a dueling perspective. At certain ranges ya just waving at Mercy with grape gas while she shoots at you.
Baptiste not at #1 is nuts I literally got to GM playing dps bap taking duels selfishly using my cd’s lol
Lifeweaver deserves to be higher with his dmg output, while kiri, moira and illari belong 1 tier lower each in my experience.
Mercy also up one.
No support is completely incapable of duelling (which f tier seems to imply).
Personally in my opinion mercy would be around equal with juno.
PUTTING LIFEWEAVER IN D IS CRAZY! This isn’t even just me like being a Lifeweaver fanbot or anything the only reason the ONLY Reason I ever mis out on killing someone especially in a 1v1 situation is if there being healed.
Anyone Anyone who gets within Lifeweavers range dies he’s a duelist, I literally be jumping on Ana’s and zens because I know I can kill them.
A 1v1 in Lifeweavers freaking actual range is just asking to die.
S: Baptise, Illari
Probably has a higher damage output than whatever DPS you’re playing, plus they have self-sustain.
A: Kiriko, Lucio, Ana
Their damage can be tougher to land but they also have some really strong utility to fall back on.
B: Zen
Really good damage output if he’s landing his shots, but has no mobility or utility to fall back on.
C: Juno, Lifeweaver, Moira, Brig
Not really that much of a threat unless you’ve made a mistake and they’re capitalizing.
F: Mercy.
Has a worse gun and literally nothing else that will help her in a duel. If Mercy wins 1v1, it’s because she aimdiffed you by a significant margin.
Lifeweaver is a solid support duelist if you can hit your shots, especially close range. I’m starting to just think that ranking him lower than B is a self-report lol
S+++++: Nano Valk
S: Baptiste, Lucio
(Everthing below can vary depending on how you engage them)
A: Kiriko, Illari, Zen
B: Ana, Lifeweaver
C: Juno, Brigitte, Moira
Wow people are downplaying Moira… dueling isn’t all about how fast you can kill someone or how much damage you dish out in a game. Moira is insane at dueling because fade can be used offensively to chase the kill or defensively to get out for free. And her orb likewise can be used for quick burst damage to secure the kill or heal you to stall for your next fade in case you burned it early.
Having the power to choose who and when you duel and getting out for free if you’re losing should not be overlooked.