This company is garbage. How can one climb the ranks if your team mates are always trash and your the one carrying. But blizzard and there devs are to stupid to figure out a way to get those who want to get better out of the crap whole (which they put you in). No one can get better out of bronze and and low ranks if blizzard just drops your sr for getting rolled (because there matching and team matching made you loose).
And for those who will reply “oh poor baby” or “oh just get better”, bet money your not in low ranks so your opinion doesn’t matter. Players cannot get better at their skills if they face nothing but the worst of the entire player basis (and or having to talk to the dev teams that has 2 brain cells). This ranking system is so broken and needs to be changed to recognize good players and not bomb ones SR because YOUR team sucks when you were the only one doing good.
I’ve clawed from bronze (300sr back in season 3) to silver(~1800 as of season 27) and have indeed seen my skill and progress get better. There are certain things that 1300 players do that 1500 players don’t and that goes for the entire ladder; it doesn’t help when the meta shifts and you need to learn a different set of skills each couple of months just to keep up but I digress. Each sr jump comes with its own set of challenges and hurdles to overcome before you can make it to that rank. If you’re doing it on your own it can be a very hard hill to climb.
It’s really hard unless someone is there to help and there are many good people here on the forum and even places like reddit that might be willing to help you if you’re willing to listen. Each rank needs different things to progress as well but it mostly boils down to - positioning, aim, teamwork, use of environment and cooldown/ability usage, mostly in that order.
Even when that is the case it can be extremely hard to pull yourself together long enough to get up and past the 5-10% of games that have smurfs, trolls, throwers, toxic people, ect. especially at low ranks but don’t get much better the more you climb the ladder.
I can understand that. But you (anyone) will never get better if you only play bronze players. And for those of us (me) that carry and already know that it is infuriating that I get docked sr and am put with crappy teams, so therefore I keep loosing never to progress (never to learn anything else. This is suck a broken system. Blizzard needs to get there s**t together. Cause no one (even us), will learn anything else if there crappy sr system always holds us in bronze.
You’re right, mostly. Most of the time fighting people on your skill level isn’t going to teach you anything if you’re not looking for it or know what to look for in the first place. I’ve struggled with this problem a few times in the past 4 years and the only thing I’ve been able to come to a solution is to seek out the things you desire, outside of the game. Blizzard aren’t willing to hold your hand on this one, even if they should - as the games creators.
I’ve even made my own threads on this topic. (back on the old forum)
If you, or anyone, would like… you can join the forum discord and we have a few people in the mid ranks that might be willing to give advice or look at your stuff. There are even a few people who run a team for lower ranks every week.
It’s more efficient and appropriate to give up on climbing.
There are more smurfs/alts then mains in bronze.
The ladder/seasons don’t reset.
They use MMR-rigging in a game that pays out by SR.
No one cares.
You can absolutely improve and never rank up. And you can hard cheese for ez wins and free sr. Losing, fighting smurfs, carrying throwers, and buying new accounts - seems to be the best way to get better. The time to tryhard and bother in a broken system was in 2018. It’s 2021 now, the game is ded if not for alts. And they haven’t said a word for months.
Don’t gamble your sanity worrying about rank. It’s not even the metric they use to score/evaluate skill.
The ladder is a hidden-feedback, delayed-reward, constant-sum (alts inflate ladder) game with imperfect information (stacks). They don’t tell you who you’re fighting, how well you’re doing, what they’re actually scoring/ranking/matchmaking you on…and they map all this to some no-reset winrate.
How can you be so sure you’re getting better at something? What are you even getting better at? It’s a terrible feeling never knowing where you actually stand.
I know for a fact that I got better when playing with a 6-stack and training with the coaches on the discord. They showed us quite a bit about teamplay and since I started putting it into practice in soloqueue people do tend to follow. It’s changed and improved the way I go about tanking for a team, which has increased my SR by a substantial amount.
Even if MMR is a hidden stat that your SR chases… my sr has increased.
Ladder is infested with Smurfs so it’s even harder to climb out.
The bottom of the ladder will of course include the worst players, so it seems logical to me that you can’t just climb out 1 2 3.
You got that low, that’s on you.
I stopped taking this game seriously as soon as moira came into the game and i went on a 50+ win streak and it placed the account in 2830 i believe. K/d was 5.46, and top 1% in multiple stats. I just play every once in awhile when im bored and play league and some other games now less stress at least for me overwatch’s match maker is one of the worst i’ve seen in awhile and they refuse to look at it because they gave up after the s2 MMR change.
I know when I have gotten better when I have less deaths for example, especially on Mercy, Gotten better by being able to stay alive longer and provide value to my team. Learned to use corners and walls, not peek the Widow, etc.
I also know that I have gotten better by not putting down my shield to firestrike when I am at 20HP as Rein. Have gotten better by dying million times to a Cree when trying to kill him without thinking whether or not he used his flashbang, so I learned to either wait for him to use it or bait it out before I attack him.
I recognized that I have gotten better by not dying million times over and over again while taking the same route, learning when to wait for my team, when not to ult, etc. Million ways to notice when you have improved at something the same way where you notice where you are lacking and what still needs improving.
Post your own vods then? I bet my <500 can find mistakes in your play. Hindsight coaching is so ez it’s puke worthy. Anyone can watch a VoD and call out mistakes and sub-optimalities. At timestamp 3:18 you zigged, but we recommend zagging. Do more zagging and you’ll rank up.
Meanwhile OWL coaches are plat/dia. This game bottlenecks your reaction time and aim %, wayyy before it braincaps you. It’s not some complicated depth=18 analysis that beats someone’s shallow depth=12 pawn structure.
It’s derpwatch. You cheese in groups, or you take your chances in solo queue. You grind a meaningless alt-infested 5+ years no-reset SR number. You do this, in a system that hides your actual performance assessments and rigs games for you based on it (MMR).
True…bettering your stats correlates with improvement. They don’t promise it (you can pad stats and be terrible). Some off-the-cuff indicator(s) would be k/d per healing received or resource consumed (cds, map displacement, apm drops). And some kind of cd cost per ult charge reduction (do your cds stop other people from gaining ult charge or stopping their ults). Sabermetrics are fun, but I digress here.
But I do not pad my stats. I do not go for Gold medals in whatever. Do not go for Gold healing, or damage blocked, or damage done in general or kills or whatever the majority of low elo players like to boast about.
Since I play support in like 90% of my games, most of the times I do not even pay attention to what my healing is at. There is no point in having 30k healing if you fail to provide anything else apart from that.
The less low elo people take their stats into account the more they would be climbing. But that is just my opinion. Starting one’s complaint topics with I had Gold in this or that says more about them tryin to compensate for their other shortcomings rather than them actually influencing the match in other departments.
Truth be told you can complain about this game in a lot of different ways and be right in those complaints, but what you cannot complain is how you personally decide to approach a match you get Q-up in.
This game is most definitely not about “I have better aim so I win”. It helps, of course it does, and it does decide matches in some cases, but there are so many things one can compensate for the lack of aim itself and vice versa. This game is so versatile with different combos that there is actually no way one can “dry up” with the means of how to win a match.
I started this game in bronze. I carried myself out on DPS, I nearly got plat last season. Blizz can’t control the people that play this game.
The ranking system isn’t broken or there wouldn’t be any other ranks. It’s a team game, I suggest queueing in a group to ensure the quality of your team mates.
Seems like you read my comment wrong. I specifically stated:
Everyone can find mistakes in other people’s plays. What I was talking about is specifically mistakes that has led him to loose those games. I myself make a ton of mistakes, though because I have spent time improving myself both mechanically with Aim Trainers and gamesense wise with VOD Reviews, I have climbed from Gold to Masters.
Also I really doubt OP was carrying. I believe he is unaware of his own play and focuses too much on teammates which leads him to seeing their mistakes and blame them, but none of his own.
I’ve climbed from bronze to gold twice. Once, when the game was new, and again recently when I came back from a long break (sank from gold to bronze first, because I was rusty). Both times climbing took hundreds of games. Both for me to get better, and to overcome all the randomness in games.