Shouldn’t this be what a hero game is all about??? Maybe not meta but viable sould be a thing, I’m sorry. This all due to the design of ow.
Your rank does not matter but if you’re making gold/plat arguments then people have a point.
It’s not the fact that someone is in a certain rank that makes their opinion bad, but if an opinion is coming from a place of only understanding the game through a gold or Plat level then that should be called out.
Case in point after Brig’s rework a large portion of lower ranked people on this forum claimed that she was trash. In higher ranks her winrate was off the charts. It’s only now that the general playerbase caught on to how strong she was. When you have a situation where people are surprised that Brig was nerfed then it absolutely matters because it shows how myopic their view of the game is.
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Just another reason to not play competitive.
Noone can shame me, I’m rank NOTHING!!
Plus, I ran out of shame years ago anyway.
Even in gm she was TRASH, until violet proved that she wasn’t and then people discovered her pocket potential… Stop blaming low elos when high elos did the same.
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She wasn’t used as much. But the only people flat out saying she was trash were lower ranked. The only people who still did not catch on until fairly recently were lower ranked players.
High elo players generally will just play whatever’s good or whatever works. It’s the lower ranked players who whine about characters being underpowered or whine when characters get nerfed.
Even when Violet was one tricking multiple accounts to top 500 you had people claiming Brig was trash. I know this for a fact because I was one of the people pointing it out only to be told that Violet was a “niche” case. People on these forums do not know what they’re talking about and should not be taken seriously.
Your analogy is wrong … because there are ranks. If there were no ranks, then there would be no reason for low ranked players to give their opinion, but there are, so every rank needs to have some semblance of balance…
For the most part outside of glaringly stupid examples like Reaper having 50% lifesteal anything can be played. You don’t balance for ranks where anything goes unless something is glaringly broken.
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I’m not sure it’s fair to say a Gold/Plat player know more about balance than a GM. However, rank shaming is really uncalled for. What the Gold/Plat player is trying to say is these changes make the game unfun for them to play. And that is 100% relevant because 99% of the player base is Gold & Plat. So if a change that a GM suggested makes the Gold & Plat players stop playing the game, the game loses money and will eventually lose resources.
So IMO, everyone needs to take a chill pill, stop rank shaming, and try to see it from multiple points of view.
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Is removing armor from Brig who is actually one of the least played supports in Gold and Plat making the game unfun for those levels? Or is this hyperbolic whining from people who think supports are untouchable?
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Its close to impossible to achieve due to heroes requiring different amounts of skill,if they try to make every hero viable at every rank they would mostly have to be reworked would have to rework nearly every hero
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I think we just need a middle ground. Low elo players can offer an effective suggestion/opinion on balance. Having different perspective it’s pretty important and being dismissive is rude. Both high level and low level players should have a say in the game WE all play. It is then up to the devs to decide what they think might be best.
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“Least played” does not mean “never played”. Also she is played less because of previous nerfs that made her unfun to play. Before those nerfs she was played a ton. “unfun” is a spectrum. The fact that she is “least played” means she is “unfun” for most people in those ranks.
In higher ranks “fun” isn’t really a thing per sey. It’s “what can we exploit and break”. Which I guess is fun for the higher ranks? Point is lower ranks want to play their favorite heroes, higher ranks want to break them.
Different balance changes made for rank X may create “something glaringly broken” in rank Y, if they were made solely for rank X. They prob think about how change will impact rank X, how it will impact rank Y, etc. before deciding on changes.
Wow do gm genji one tricks work??? It’s pretty normal when a small part of the freaking majority “whines”, gold and plats are a huge majority in ow… You get it??? Also, she wasn’t played in gm at all during that time or just a small percent of people were playing her, just like in low elos. Both catched up about her potential at the same times.
Pretty normal since not all the people know about violet and not all of the people have the same coordination in their matches.
Because clearly, you do? It’s not because certain people voiced their opinions that all of them agreed, I was in silver back then and I played her multiple times and we won, you know why? Because I always played her like she was supposed to be played, a midline support.
It’s not because somebody whines that you have to generalize the entire forums. Multiple people are ok with the recent brig nerf, they just hate how they were handled with laziness and unoriginality.
I agree, to an extent. The rank someone has can be a good way to tell how well someone understands the game. Though, that doesn’t mean that all people of a lower rank have a smaller understanding of the game than than those from a higher rank
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By viable I mean playable not meta or extra decent, just playable even though he’s not the hero of the situation.
Certain heroes for example can’t be played in higher or lower elos because of bad designs from the start, most of them in ow are in this state, reaper, symm (when she’s not played like an uber driver), bastion, pharah (without a mercy), sombra…
I agree that heros and the way people play are different, and I also agree that it’s no excuse to silence someone’s opinion based on their rank.
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Plenty of people were having fun with release Brig, Moth Mercy and release Moira. That doesn’t mean they didn’t need obvious changes.
Plenty of players thought Genji/Tracer was fun but that didn’t stop bad players screaming they were broken to holy hell. Even when statistically those two didn’t perform well in the lower ranks.
The unfun argument is subjective and when the unfun argument basically means an easy to use, overpowered support those people should not be listened to. Too often this is literally the argument, give me something easy to use and have it be effective, even more effective than something that is harder to use at the same rank.
This is completely true, which is why balance should mainly be geared around these ranks where they can truly exploit and break something. It should not be centered around the people who have an emotional response and aren’t looking at balance logically at all.
This is completely false and when other GM players like Ryan pointed it out they would be shouted down by people saying Brig was garbage. I’ve literally seen it happen in realtime over and over again.
I’m not the one here whining about not being listened to. They could ignore everyone on the forums including me and I’d be okay with it. These forums are a dumpster fire.
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You can’t discount “fun” though when 99% of the players financially support the development of the game. You have to find a “balance” when making balancing decisions that don’t wreck the “fun”.
IMO, “easy to play” does not necessarily mean unbalanced. It just means less to min/max. Who’s to say that one hero has to be as difficult to play as another. Hell, Blizzard has (or had) difficulty ratings for each hero.
Arguably CS:GO is easy to play, and that’s not bad thing. But the game itself is simple by comparison. It doesn’t have completely different heroes with hundreds/thousands of interactions.
Part of the reason people get frustrated by Overwatch in lower ranks is because the game itself is getting more and more complicated with each new hero added. With the way things are going Overwatch will reach a breaking point for most people. It’s already far more complicated than it was at launch - which is part of the reason people have so much nostalgia for the old Overwatch.
The most important counter to the rank shaming argument is "Just because I lack the “skills” or “time” to grind my rank up does not mean I do not understand the core concept of the game.
People coach professional athletes despite never having played at a professional level themselves."
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