They really really need a setting to reset rank once every three months. This would eliminate deranking and allow people stuck in ELO hell to escape the lower tiers.
It wouldn’t curb smurfs but it would curb throwers in comp looking to go down.
If they wanted to make more cash they could charge for resets before the three month mark.
It could be made cheaper than buying a new account. Smurfs would be incentivized to drop money to reset the game more often and people who are just grinding comp points for golden weapons won’t have to derank by throwing games.
The deranking is what reeeeeeeeeeally kills the fun. If you have a 4 stack of people trying to go up and 1 player throwing to go down it’s hard to coordinate a carry.
$20 is pretty cheap, imo; any less than that and you might as well be playing on xbox.
I agree but I don’t think that giving people the option to quickly and easily do it is the best option. We need some strict limitations if we are gonna do this.
I see this argument a lot, and I do wonder: is it actually more effective to derank first and then start winning games to earn comp points quickly?
I mean don’t you first need to waste a bunch of time deranking (earning 0 comp points while doing so), and then a bunch more time winning games to earn said comp points?
Wouldn’t it be as quick or even quicker to just play normally and have around a 50% win rate and earn comp points that way?
A rank reset will just pull them into the average ranking which is Gold/Platinum, let them throw and they’ll just pull more players with them down every reset.
The longer someone is in a lower rank the more they’ll adjust to the playstyle in that ranking, making it harder in some cases for them to work up again if people will pull them down anyways.
The only reason to add this in is because people are saying the system is broken, using alternative accounts to prove this exact theory. A reset wouldn’t fix much, it would just place you where you were.
And i’m 100% the system hasn’t changed that much since i’ve been able to climb from almost Bronze to just borderline Diamond.
Sure it might’ve been a while back though they haven’t adjusted MMR as far i’ve been informed.
If people are having that many issues with ELO hell then they could just group up if they felt like climbing. Though even then it takes alot of hours and matches.
If elo hell doesn’t exist, a reset won’t be an issue. If it does exist, a reset won’t be an issue. Either way, reset. A reset (to the middle) minimizes the disruption for the maximum number of people. It gets more people back to where they belong (or intend to put their alt), faster, for fewer games as an overall population.
The placements during a fresh reset are key. Probably no more than a 2stack, and using a tournament-like sorting scheme. Winners play winners, losers vs. losers, and you essentially partition people into 300sr intervals within 10-15 games. That’s a normal resolution for most people, and the odds you’re thrown on so much to be so unlucky to be 400sr from where you belong are very small.
A reset doesn’t solve bad/meaningless placements problem. It doesn’t solve the alt problem. It doesn’t solve the rigged matchmaking and MMR handicapping problem. The industry standard work-around is to periodically reset or paywall, so burner accounts are less numerous and less incentivized to re/de-rank.
If you had a clean ladder with 0 handicapping and 0 alts there would be less need for a reset. You could just grind out winrate-based SR, unadulterated. Even in that scenario, a reset helps re-incentivize your progress, because it recalibrates your winrate history in a winrate-based ladder (SR). It brings people back to try their luck differently, because it makes the season/ladder seem fresh.
But this game riggs matches, which improve ‘match quality’ at the cost of rank fidelity. And this game has 4.5 years worth of deterioration from burner accounts and people being washed into ranks they can go 50/50 in but have no ability to climb into.
Every other sport solves it with a reset. Do you really think these guys (the ones shooting guns in the desert) have found the holy grail of ladder designs that self-heals, sheds entropy, and is resilient to deterioration and corruption i.e. no reset/replace? Humans have yet to engineer such a system.
I mean i completely understand that, honestly i don’t have much against it by now.
Though if players are having that much issues as of this moment with things out of their control then why aren’t they grouping up with other players so they don’t have those random factors? They’ll instead go onto the forums to complain and not really try to fix it for themselves in the meantime.
I do agree there will be some weird psychology.
And I think that’s the only good argument against a reset.
They’re unsure as to the player response, and how to handle the potential (falsely informed) bad press. They don’t want to damage control, so we status quo the ladder another 1-2 years.
If you reset, the content creators go wild, meme’ing their hard matches like it’s some kind of elo hell that suddenly exists and never existed before. They’ll rage and toxic and call out the devs. It will somehow apply to them and their 1% friends and be “total chaos”.
A lot of gamers won’t grasp how it’s a net overall improvement, and how it actually lowers the ongoing daily grind elo hell - that alt-infested ranks have had to endure for years, while those guys made $$ off youtube vids.
This is why I’ve always said a no-reset protects the established rich, not the hungry poor. The poor have nothing to lose, and want their fighting chance when the gates open afresh. If they drop to bronze again, at least they’ll have had that 2nd chance.
Note also that a full and total reset is much different than offering accounts a paid sr/mmr reset every 3 months of w/e. Injecting a few reset accounts into an established ladder is different physics than everyone starting out fresh again.
I really don’t want to have to grind back into masters every few months just to make other people feel better. It takes a lot of time and work to climb even if you really do belong at a higher SR.
Then it should be adjusted to address that specifically. I would LITERALLY rather have the command /setrank zero and have the smurfs/derankers able to drop to 0 SR than for people to get smashed because someone wants to drop then climb then drop again.
I think that people voluntarily having the ability to reset their rank to the bottom tier would help out immensely with the system.
You can’t honestly say from a consumer/player perspective that spending $20 for a new SR is sensible…
The point the OP is making here is therer should be hard resets every few months. I don’t know a good time frame. But I totally agree that hard resets should occur. 5 years with no reset at all? That’s a long time.
MMR remembers your previous performance and i’ve been deranked in placements even though I gained 490 SR in a season, something not right there. Even if they did it once a year it would stop the SR from being stale and gives everyone a new perspective on how much they have/haven’t improved.