he’s as evil as magneto…
except that the concept that ramattra is fighting for doesnt exist… so hes just RoboHitler
Stories are still being Plagiarized bro
Does it matter, like actually. Why are you so mad, there’s so many stories out there that can have the same thing said and you’re all mad about this?
because I like when products have time and thought put into them.
not just stolen from a more popular and well thought out franchise and then you stick a 320 dollar price tag on it.
Blizzard has spent so much time holding the pocket of the CCP they forgot how to make original ideas.
Ram seems interesting to me, but I’m greatly worried about people who just consider him an anti-hero just out of the gate. He doesn’t do any anti-hero stuff; he just seems like a villain.
For example, I recently got into a game called Gungrave. The protagonist, Grave, is an anti-hero due to how he’s going against a mafia or something, but his prime motivation is to shoot up the place and kill everyone involved. Any good he does is a happy side effect.
Rammatra doesn’t do this. He’s actually caused the deaths and suffering of many omnics, and the Kings Row event showed this. In the intro, you see a scared looking omnic pushing a bunch of humans into an alley. The body language genuinely looked like they were all afraid of null-sector.
Ram is closer to the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers than he is an anti-hero. Yet people seem too afraid to say he’s just an outright villain since he’s fighting for a minority group.
Null Sector omnics are not the same as your every day fully conscious omnics. Those ones are more like programmed war machines which follow their AI rather than having an actual mind, e.g. Bastions and OR-14 units. The only reason our Bastion is different is because of a mysterious malfunction that wasn’t fully explained yet.
He harms innocent people. He is evil. As simple as that. No motivation or means justify that.
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He’s lawful evil on the DnD alignment chart.
“The end justifies the means” is a typical lawful evil statement.
Has a specific set of rules, honor codes, and morals, and will keep himself to it. In Ramatrra’s case, he claims it’s to protect the Omnics.
But doing so can do harm to others. And lawful evil characters have no problems with that, in fact they can revel in it because it allows them to project their lawful nature (of forcing their views down other people’s throats) on “the other”. In Ram’s case, that’s humanity.
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“Evil” is just a matter of perspective.
First off, Ram is a N*zi adjacent genocidal maniac and Omnic supremacist. Rama intention will always be to kill all humans. So in this way he was always up front about killing doomfist eventually.
Also doomfist was a dictator and terrorist leader, he knows exactly who he is signing on with and wouldnt doubt he would keep Ram at arms length, or betray him to his enemies for personal gain.
Both are equally likely on a double cross.
Lack of trust doesn’t exactly justify killing a person.
Just like lack of trust for a group of people doesn’t justify killing an entire group.
And if it does, well I can tell you what the next major dictator is going to be saying in their speeches.
I mean in the sense of “every second i try to coexist with these guys, i´m taking the risk of one of them just killing one of my own, irreplaceable brothers”
Ramattra is not right for blaming all humans for the crimes of some of them, but from his POV… can you blame him?
He is super evil, just the most evilest evil-doer that has ever done evil.
And he will be on the same team as tracer so it literally does not matter.
No, it is not.
i dont like heroes, always been a fan of the anti hero
yes this would be great, i want it to turn out that he though overwatch did it but was deceived. i mean, that’s kind of why talon did it in the first place, right, to prevent peace?
Idk most of his actions come with justification. Obviously mass genocide of humans is wrong. But if omnics are people in this world and they can’t reproduce or make more. Then I’m on his side for this one. His own people are being killed all around him no matter how hard they aim for peace. I mean Russia is blatantly against them and plans on killing them. What do people expect them to do. Bow out and take the L.
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It kind of is. One and the same act could be seen as good or evil dependend on context.
See, I don’t think he is evil. At all.
I mean, think about it: He’s doing exactly what any person would do, in his situation. He’s fighting for a better future for his people.
Are his acts evil? For sure. But you look at it from his perspective, and what else can he do? He tried making peace and trying to find a balance between humans and omnics. But what happened? Nothing.
So now, he takes the way of blades, sowing destruction to people who oppose him. But only those who oppose him. His goals don’t seem to be mass genocide. His goals are simply to have a better world for omnics. He’s just going about it in the wrong way, cause he’s angry. And anger clouds people judgment. And before people come at me with the whole ‘he’s a robot’, they’re AIs. Omnics are AIs - they think, they feel, they are human in all respects, bar their physical make up. So Ramattra having a deep and complex mind is perfectly valid. Ramattra is simply doing what he feels is the only way to secure a future for his people. And given the chance, any human would do the same.
What’s probably the deepest thing about Ramattra as a character, though, is the fact that he was designed to fight humans. Yet, for the longest time, he denied his very programming as he didn’t feel it was right.
So, no - I don’t think Ramattra’s inheritly evil. What he’s doing could definitely be considered evil, but Ramattra as a person? I don’t think it’s that black and white. I think he’s far more complex than what we’ve been shown. Yes, he’s clearly working with Talon. Yes, he’s the leader of Null Sector. But at the end of the day, he’s doing what he deems necessary to secure safety for his people. But his ‘solution’ was his last resort.
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He’s morally grey to me. He’s part of a minority group that’s being oppressed and indiscriminately attacked and killed by humans, and there’s no indication there are any humans trying to help outside of certain, disorganized individuals. Overwatch was formed to fight the Omnic Crisis and later on puts down Omnic rebellions; multiple world governments including the UK and Russia are explicitly anti-Omnic. I think Ramattra’s completely genuine in his desire to protect his people and that Null Sector was strictly a last resort when it became clear that unless Omnics fought back, nothing would improve.
That said, he falls into the problem a lot of similar characters fall into, where he’s decided his group is inherently superior in some sense – for him, saving Omnic lives is now worth as many human lives as it takes. And while I’m obviously sympathetic to Ramattra’s basic idea it’s this and the violence against essentially random human populations it engenders that mean I’m not behind him 100%.
anyway I think he’s one of the more interesting characters (almost) in the game, love a good Revolutionary Of Questionable Morals