Raise Moira's skill ceiling

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I don’t care about requiring zero aim or the autolock, which is just the animation and not the hitbox anyway.

I don’t care that fade is a get out of jail free card.

I don’t care that you can get to mid gold by throwing wireless peripherals in the dryer and setting it to tumble dry on low.

I do care that there’s so little you can do to make the team win more other than directly micromanaging people over voice. Give Moira some utility or something. I’d like her skill ceiling to be marginally respectable at least. It’s no fun holding down click and watching in despair as your team goes full potato.

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As long as her skill floor is proportionally raised as well.

She can’t get as much value as she does currently with minimal effort AND have a load of nuance and utility to give her even more value.

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Moira’s skill ceiling isn’t so bad

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Is that per match? Per 10?

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I think its per match. Its just some old healing stats put i think it really shows how high Moira can be taken.

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Moira is pretty fine right now.

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To actually give her a decent buffs players are going to have to work more for it and for many people Moira’s ease of use is the draw of the character.

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I just linked that to another thread where someone is asking for Ana nerfs because her healing is too good relative to other supports. :crazy_face:

And raising Moira’s skill floor dramatically is a bad idea. The game needs approachable characters.

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Significantly raise her skill floor, then sure. I’d be okay with buffing Moira.

Until then, it’s not right to give her even more value for a fraction of the effort that other supports have to give to get value.

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Yeah I like her how she is too.

Is Mercy really that much harder?

It takes, like, your whole resource tank to heal a D.va nowadays.

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Not by much, which is why I’m fine with Mercy where she’s at and I don’t want her buffed.

She can work. She has niches, and she can easily be punished for bad decisions. I like Mercy to stay that way.

I don’t feel like Moira follows the same rules. I can do more with Moira while putting forth less effort and thought.

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almost like moira is a healer who is design to only be good at healing and damaging and ana is a healer design to be bloated with utility

your graff is as stupid as if i showed a graff of current rein blocking more damage than dva and orisa and using it to justified a nerf on him its his main job to block damage , not dva and not orisa anymore too

also actually ana damage and healing are both better than moiras “You people need to understand the diff between damage and good worth damage” ana does both healing and damage in burst , where moira does everything in overtime , so even if she heal less and damage less per games ana healing and damage is worth more because its more likely to save you or to help truly in killing someone

its like widow/doom and soldier example soldier does more damage than widow and doom per games by a lot and yet he is consider UP and the 2 others are conider OP because he does trash overtime damage and they do burst damage

only good thing about moira heal and damage is that its easy to apply and even that is a big “maybe” her heals is actually one of the leats reliable of all the supports as she still has to aim it unlike zen/lucio/mercy/brig and its on a 9 meter beam so she can’t always be in a good stop to actually heal and even if she is , she is probably in a good stop to get focus down

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I’d be ok with nerfing Moira if the mobility heroes got significant nerfs to go with it

You have Moira because she’s the only support that has a reliable escape from all the broken BS in this game AND can reliably defend herself from the OP mobility heroes AND can heal through barriers

Fix the actual problems

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No one is saying Ana isn’t great or that Moira is better. The graph just happens to have Ana in it too. It was posted to make the case that higher rank Moira players heal more with her. Though I wonder how much that is a function of the other players dealing more damage at those ranks.

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Yeah but she’s easier to kill than Mercy.

This:

That Moira curve looks real nice and healthy to me. I like that Moira also has less counters then Ana and Coalescence is awesome, so i’m not that envious of Ana player’s kits.

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they maybe he should have edit it with paint or smth to avoid confusion

it is

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I like all of those problems.

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Hope you like seeing Moira in all your matches, or being forced to switch to her

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I’d actually argue against that. I think Mercy is much easier to kill. I actually die significantly less as Moira because of her kit being so forgiving. If you make a bad call, you have ways to compensate and survive.

I find it much less forgiving as Mercy.

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She hasn’t been able to heal through barriers for a while now outside of healing orb, which is on a ten second cooldown and often bounces away without giving full value.

It probably also has something to do with higher rank players actually disengaging for heals instead of face tanking the entire enemy team.

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How old is this data?