Some good clips in here from the thoughts of a Winston OTP - for those who demand its return and “magically” forgot what was going on back then. 
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Some good clips of how Mass Rez actually played out 9/10 times it was used. For those who don’t remember how under-powered Mercy was back then, as a F-D tier hero, seen as a niche or throw pick, and needed to be buffed with invincibility just to stay viable… 
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Dont mean to discredit XQC OP
But he is far from a voice of reason that should have a say in bamance
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you’re linking a video of XQC, not really the best example you could give.
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Not like he was doing anything special here.
He’s just the representative example of what was going on in literally every single rank, especially master and upwards.
Same words, same reactions, same tactics.
The only thing F tier in your linked video was the gamensense of the recording players, really
The video itself advocating hide-and-rez by showcasing it as example of “good gameplay” and following with a bunch of clips which showcase what happens when you dont hide and rez. 
no not really, we all know XQC and we all know how fast he gets tilted at everything. he just goes for the easy target which is mercy in this case.
he indeed does nothing special here, it could’ve been any hero he would be flaming at.
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Yeah Mercys hiding for a huge rez was the wrong way to play anyway. Prevention is always better than restoring. Solo rez wasn’t good, sure, but neither was purposefully letting your team die. It was almost always better to try to keep your team alive, and just use Mass Rez as a tempo rez for 2 or 3 people.
Of course, the good point of Mass Rez was you had an ult with actual impact, not like now with Valkyrie, which doesn’t change the flow of the game at all. That’s why I want a Mercy rework. I don’t care if she ends up with a tweaked Mass Rez, a tweaked Valkyrie, or something completely new. Just so long as she gets an ult with actual impact, one that your team can appreciate and the enemy team has to respect. Yknow, like what every other support has
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youtubecom/watch?v=Nz9b8Pgk02Y&t=48s) This is literally the hide and rez garbage that everyone hated. the fact that you could use such a great ability with no danger is such garbage. no i didn’t want mass rez removed i wanted them to apply it to LoS, like a sombra ult. if mercy can’t see you, then you don’t get rezzed. at least then we would have almost a year of crappy mercy meta when all the mercy players got boosted for playing such a OP hero.
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Back when the devs first said they were looking into Mercy (before announcing Mercy 2.0), a ton of people said “make Rez LoS.” It was pretty much universally agreed that it should have been like that for a long time.
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What about the fact that players were using “die on point” as default?
Doesnt seem solved by LoS.
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Not really. It’s a video showing how hide-and-Rez was a terrible strategy in most cases, so much so that they needed to buff her later on with invincibility to make it more consistent / reliable (which can be found in the actual patchnotes). Tempo rezzes were the most common forms of the ability as well by the way, due to how hard it was countered by any decent team that knew the basics of proper ult economy. The average was around 2-3 team mates per game, maybe 4 if you’re lucky. Mercy rezzes a lot more now than she did back then as well over the course of the match, but you are entitled to your opinion. 
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I think both videos (the one in the OP and the one in the first comment) are a bit skewed.
But there’s no denying how widespread the strategy was
I’ve noticed people trying to gaslight and say this strategy wasn’t common or that only bad mercy players did it. Esp check out that last one lol
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It was considered bad because it was a crutch/a poor way of taking care of your team. It worked, but if the enemy knew it was coming it could easily be countered. Additionally, sending one hero to find the Mercy could easily stop the strategy.
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Mercys tempo-rezzes were the norm.
You didnt wait for a 5man-rez most of the time.
So much is true, but strawmanning it into pretending “hide and rez” wasnt a thing is far fetched.
Mercy died - who cares - its still a 11vs6 in best cases and a 9vs6 in most cases.
Not to mention that most of the time there were already picks before the rez, meaning the rez was even more value.
If you want to pretend “hide and rez” didnt exist, I suggest not using a video trying to propagate how “hide and rez” is good strategy.
I cant really take a video seriously that pretends “Mercy was bad” with examples of how a 5-man rez gets killed by a Mccree ult because Reinhardt didnt hold his shield up.
That’s so nonsensical.
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I agree with you regarding LOS. I believe that if Mass Rez was atleast given LOS checks, alot of the problems people had with it, like hide-&-rez, wouldn’t exist.
Pretty much this. I think they were better off just tweaking it from there, rather than giving her a completely different ultimate. I and many others would have been fine with LoS even without the invinc. buff…
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I’m talking specifically about people saying it wasn’t common. It was. Or that bad mercys were the only ones who did it. Homies in masters pre-invuln in the last one.
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The reality of mass Rez was that it was unhealthy for the game.
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It’s also good to keep in mind that during that time, there was the issue of the SR bug exploit, which a lot of the bad Mercy players used to their advantage. Since that bug was patched. I don’t see Mass Rez being a problem making a return in the game with some tweaks. There’s speculation that with things like CC being so prevalent and new heroes being introduced that can outright stomp a mass res (Hammond ult / Torb’s new ult) from progressing, I don’t see it being as strong as it was in the past either.
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denying heals to your team, to hide then fly in to rez get potg is a good strategy?
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Denying heals to your team to chase that Widow or Pharah is a good strategy?
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