A few weeks ago I have climbed from 2700 to around 3250 (Mid plat to Mid diamond) on DPS mainly using Ashe and I had a winrate of around 70-80% at that time (This was mostly solo queue, a couple of matches were together with a diamond mercy). Matches in Diamond feel more balanced and I work harder to pop off, but I am have having no issues getting wins and kills pretty consistently).
Then a problem started happening after I queued up with my mid gold brother (we could barely queue together as there were only around 50 SR from reaching the 1000 max sr group limit). We got into matches where there was only one diamond player on each time while the rest were plat players, excluding my brother who is gold. These matches definitely felt easier to get kills and value as Ashe and I was popping hard getting POTG each match, but the problem is even when I am popping hard and helping a lot our other tank, support and DPS players were playing very mindlessly which made us loose a whole lot of games. I also lost much more SR than my brother in these games.
(Its like my queueing with my brother is creating and insanenly difficult match for teamates because of SR difference, but I am not sure)
Now I ended up being at around 3010 SR. So I tried solo queueing and the matches felt great again and had no problems winning. So my question is, should I completely drop playing with my lower ranked brother/friends to avoid getting into the mindless games? When I play Tank or Support (which are high and low plat) and queue up with my brother the games feel much more balanced for my teamates and I can help carry the match.
Decide for yourself what’s more important for you - spend time sharing a hobby with your brother or a superficial number in your profile?
If you want both, then you probably have to open your wallet and by a 2nd Overwatch account you will only play grouped up with your brother. I’ve tried this method, it works.
Its not much the SR/rank I care about, it is the Skill level of both teammates and enemies that I want to be as close to each other as possible (for fair matches and learning). When I queued with my brother I felt very punished as in I have to either hard carry or the match is lost.
I personally really enjoy improving which inspired me to record a couple of VODs and get them reviewed when I was at around 2700 SR. After getting my weakneses told to me, I started improving on them and I easily made it through 2700 to 3250. So I would like to continue this way to improve mechanics, gamesense and positioning.
I am thinking of doing this. Is there a way to ensure that my DPS/Support/Tank rank will be close to my brothers on a new account?
its one of the biggest flaws of the MMR system and it only got worse with Role queue, since the “average” is not made role wise, but for the whole team.
They also increased the gap to make “more matches” due to long queues so the problem is like 2-3 times worse. I literally got as plat DPS 2 tanks that were high silver and low gold. The enemy got those dudes in Support roles but had high plat tanks … you can guess the outcome of the match. Those brutal differences were quite rare before, now they happen all the time.
Due to the SR gain formula (underdog, teams average, etc) you will lose more SR and gain way less if you win against people that is below your actual SR (even more if they are way below your internal MMR). The “boosted” player will not really gain that much since the whole game will “sink” the average SR to be on that level so yeah. Dont do that.
You can say its a “measure” to prevent boosting but it also destroys legit people that is just trying to play with their friends. It is what it is
PS: I even played as a Diamond tank with Masters … we won but jesus christ I even felt bad for them.
The only legit way is to play the heroes you are not familiar with to ensure you will not win as much as you would with your best picks.
Obviously, the most reliable way to get same rating without soft-throwing is to let your brother complete placement matches instead of you, but this is against the rules. Impossible to prove though if you care about it.
I understand your case as I’ve been to a similar situation. When the rank disparity is that high most matches are of a poor quality - teams are horribly unbalanced, you have to carry or get stomped. But this can be a good training ground for your brother if he is willing to learn.
My group is similar. Im the highest SR of them. I know when i play with them, by the end of the night ill be down 100 sr. It always happens. Then i play by myself and pick it up rather easily.
But i have fun with them, so its worth it even though its counter intuitive.
This is what you would expect to happen with large SR disparities. You are the highest ranked player in the game so you should be performing the best. This is why they impose limits on how far apart your rank can be which gets smaller and you climb.
It’s not an auto loss but you are expected to carry harder since the SR gain goes to your whole team not just you, and since you are expected to win as a higher skilled player losses hit harder.
Yes you’ll probably lose some games when queuing with lower tier players until your average MMR settles down. As someone with very high MMR in QP who plays with GMs an Top 500 games regularly there we usually lose like 3-7 games in a row when I queue with my RL friends who are plats because we get matched up against at least diamond players on average
It happens because the matchmaking system isn’t anything amazing but it’s quite expected
This is why I made an Alt account so I could play with my Silver/Gold friends. In most games I was always the best player but even being the best there is a limit to how much one player can accomplish in a team based game.
I would lose a lot of games and lose a ton of SR when I played with them.
I wouldn’t say it’s an instant loss but I would be rewarded much less for winning and penalized much harder for losing.
Make an alt account if you want to play with lower SR friends is my recommendation.
(one of my friends is essentially a dps Moira who swears up and down she’s the best dps in the game -.-. Love the guy but damn is he OW stupid)
No, you should get another account specifically for the purposes of playing with him, when your in diamond and above it just isnt worth it to que with those not at the same rank as you due to how the sr is distributed where playing in lower ranked games gives you less sr for wins due to your mmr being so high, and a lot of sr for losses again for being so high in mmr in comparison
Its fun messing around and playing with friends for sure. But my brother and lower ranked friends became quite frustrated that we kept loosing. So when I tried playing on my brothers account with them, it was win almost every match
That sounds crazy! What Rank/MMR are you at? Are your plat friends/teammates not highly frustrating playing against these GM+ players?
I see. It just makes it way harder being only able to play hitscan heroes as opposed to something like Genji with strong Ult potential. Nonetheless it feels like good training.
The biggest problem I find is that no matter how good aim/positioning/plan I have if the rest of the teammates are not on the same page it all goes bad =[ For example I have had in multiple matches with my brother players who all spammed their ultimates when we were still respawning and got no value.
I am highly thinking of doing this, but at the same time I am not so sure as I do not have much playtime each day because of college so barely 2-4 hours. I feel like it would become a little waste of money and time spending time on a new account, so I might only play with my brother in arcade games.
Also I tried playing a couple of matches on my brothers account (Gold DPS) and holy Sh*t. Games were SO easy, POTG every match and on fire all the time, it felt like cheating which made me feel bad.
Damn, old habits die hard.
(Sorry that I am answering all of you guys at once, hope it is fine)
Well yeah? Not necessarily an instant loss unless your friend is just really abysmally bad.
But if you’re higher than your friend, especially by a significant amount, then the game will try to put you in a game with average SR near your average ie a 1999 and 2999 will get a 2499ish game. So if they lose, the higher SR player will lose more than they would in a 2999 game because they should have an edge.
These are common mistakes lower SR players have. You can try shot calling and telling people when the fight is over and/or beg them to regroup but even that won’t always work.
As I mentioned above, I dont think I have enough time to level and switch between two accounts. But if I just play arcade games with my brother and friends of lower ranks, will the games feel more fair for them?
He is pretty good, but gets tilted quite easily. I can see what you mean as when I queued with him (Me diamond, him gold) we mostly got play teammates and enemies.
Have tried that a lot, very few do listen. And those that try to execute a plan, are not sure how its done and are not confident enough in it =[
I am not sure either, but my friends, brother and I really enjoy Mystery Heroes and 3 v 3 Competitive. We once played against a Top 500 player in 3 v 3 comp and won, it felt great! (I know they are not gods or could simply not be tryharding, but still felt great =] )
