Can we make it actually impactful to spam/waste slashes when using Dragon Blade? There should be some sort of punishment (as in a delay/cooldown before next attack)
Why did we ever turn it into 1.7 Minecraft PvP simulator with Strength II and Regeneration I (if using the perk)
You must be new here. You can’t criticize Genji. You can’t say that his kit is stuffed, his primary and secondary are strong, and he has above average defense, and his ult is impactful.
You just can’t say these things.
Genji deserves less than he has, but we must pretend that he is bad.
There already is.
It’s called not doing any damage.
Blame season 9. I was happy to keep slower blade swing speed if it meant Nanoblade could Slash+Dash for kills.
But nah, lets just add Kiri and Illari to the game who were (pre season 9) infinitely better healers AND dps’s than even Zen.
Then lets add the DPS passive to combat how terribly 5v5 broke support balance.
Suddenly we see a game where healing is viewed as pointless when you could just play only duelist supports and kill people, and when you get a full team of characters who can 2 shot you, magically people start exploding!
And just like that every single breakpoint that had been refined for over 7 years is now kaput and we’re stuck here.
Season 9 still needs reverting completely, just fix the likes of Kiri and Illari so that they cant unconditionally 2 shot you and youll find you wont be exploding anymore when all 5 players on a team can 2 shot you.
Yeah… I am super confused by this thread and I am not even trying to be facetious right now. Genji triggers these kids so much that they are mad about him missing slashes?! 
Not quite. I find it annoying that people praise this hero as “mechanically demanding” when missing a slash means nothing, since he can just slash immediately after without repercussions.
So all I see in replays is Genji players mindlessly left-clicking air and still getting rewarded for it because the delay is so little. Take into account the massive hitbox, I just don’t see how people still tolerate this.
If I was to change one thing about OW, it’d be strictness with hitting shots: pre-S9, melee should require aiming, Zarya bubbles should be the size of the player hitbox, deflect angle should not be so wide, Hazard slash hitbox should not be so massive, the list goes on.
Widow can one shot you about every second.
Reaper can one shot you every half a second and Regen off of all the damage he does.
Illari can cross map 2 tap you and get healed by pylon at the same time.
Kiri can teleport onto whoever you were trying to kill make herself and your target immortal and then halve your healthbar during the invincibility.
My point is you are just stating a thing that he does.
Other characters do similar things.
You just assume that it is bad and unfair and don’t actually explain why.
just look at your consequences. Illari no longer able kill with 2 critshots even 225 hp, cause players complained her too much. And where she is now? Least popular support in history of OW. In my opinion Illari straight after S9 was quite balanced. Can’t 2 tap 250hp heroes, but can 225 ones. And don’t forget, 225 heroes usually have a big mobility, so you very rarely will crit them 2 times in a row. So again need 3 shots, which takes 2.25 s mininun time. Illari’s TTK even with 75 damage usually 2 times longer than similar DPSes one. Ashe, two crit, kills per 1 second, Cassidy is the same, Soldier? Same. Even recon Bastion kills per one second with critshots, Illari usually need ~2 seconds
Kiriko can able fight on equal terms with Genji, Moira also can, but Illari can’t. Why you guys complain her so much closing eyes at other supports. Ana kills with bodyshots faster than current Illari does it with critshots and then Ana has a nade, one of the best ult and sleep all that set just reverses fights, Illari’s pylon can’t do that.
I always say it: either nerf Kiriko, Ana, Juno, either buff Illari. She can’t even compete with those three. But we all clearly know that those three never will see real nerfs. Yeah, Juno got it, but she still most of effective support that’s shows how her design broken. People just ignores consistent effect that Juno does. Players see only burst effect
No, in general I think Genji should have the advantage when using his own ult. There should be as minimal strings attached as possible, so the current animation is fine.
There’s plenty of reasons for missing slashes, like ping, bad quality mouse etc. Playing Genji is punishment enough
Haha, so true. The Genji main crowd will come after you.
Except missing part of limited time of ult and taking damage. Nothing, yeah
What a waste of a response just because I called out Illari as being part of the problem that caused S9.
Did I say she was a problem now? No. Was I complaining about her in her current form? No. So why are you running at me here like I called her the current day antichrist?
But hey, Ill give you fuel for the fire you meaninglessly started, give it some meaning yknow? Illari is up here with the likes of Kiriko for the “worst designed support” competition, albeit for different reasons.
Just like Kiri though, it feels like the support was built around the gun, these A10 Warthog designs are incredibly disgusting and under no circumstance should those two have EVER been able to unconditionally 2 tap like they did.
And while part of Kiri’s design failing is in making all of her abilities completely untuneable, leaving her with no way to be buffed or nerfed in specific areas to subtle effects, Illaris issue is she just fails to do anything supportive, she doesnt belong in the support role. This is a DPS hero with a DPS design and only a couple afterthought abilities to heal with.
Pylon is barely useful and cant even be adjusted too much thanks to being an automated turret that can be placed and hidden where it cant be destroyed, but as much as thats a benefit its also a detriment, because part of her ability to be a healer is a fixed and unmoving placeable, and should her team move up anywhere it just loses any purpose. Place it in a way that can follow up with the team and its guaranteed to be in plain sight and destroyed instantly.
Her heal beam is alright, but its average at best. If you want healbots there are better options, if you want supports who can DPS there are better options, and with both architypes those heroes just have a billion times better utility.
Illari is a gun and barely anything more, with an ult thats just a bigger gun. She shouldve been made into a DPS instead of another DPS bait support hero if thats what they wanted the hero to be, which they obviously did considering all her abilities are useful for is dueling and fighting. No Suzu, no discord, no anti, no lamp, no grasp, no movement speed, no rez, no backline protection, NOTHING but damage that at best matches other supports, an average amount of healing, and minor self peel. Zero. Utility. Whatsoever.
I’m angry because of the ones like you, she got a damage nerf after season 9 when she was already well balanced.
The problem with short TTK was no longer due to Illari and Kiriko but more because of the huge amount of burst damage that DPS dealt. I mean season 9 changes
And also, what’s wrong with having at least some diversity in each role? as DPS-support. In such a case tank-support Brig should not exist at all, DPStiste also.
All that Illari needs is returning the damage back in 75. That’s it. You can leave this hero alone for a year after that
Also, I’m actually very disappointed that developers are following the lead people like you, designing template heroes. Support MUST have some utility. And it doesn’t matter what you can support eliminations. DPS MUST have burst damage. The tank MUST have a block. And yes, the boring variation of mobility is the main rule for all new heroes otherwise the community does not recognize such heroes. I’m sad that Overwatch no longer has room for unusual designs. I know they let Bridget out in a very broken state, but then they found the right middle for her. Same with Illari after S9, but the community still complained about her because “Casiddy has less damage in the long range”. Her damage has been reduced, now she is just bad, her basic utility has been destroyed. No healing buffs will be able to fix her. Its primary utility passed from damage to pilon. Pilon was never designed as her main utility, it was supplementary. Just the damage nerf has ruined everything thanks to the community
They do that with just about every hero. Illari is not special.
But that damage nerf hurted her tooo much. Most of supports have a shorter TTK. Even Moira kills at around same time that Illari does with bodyshots. And with damage orb Moira kills at same time as Illari with critshots. Very hilarious
So reading this just tells me you have actually zero idea what youre talking about.
How many times do I have to tell you, once S9 hit Im not longer talking about her balance Post S9 is whatever, I havent followed the heroes changes because I no longer cared.
Im just stating the reality that her very kit design is garbage. And no room for unique heroes? Theres nothing unique about Illari, shes as basic as it gets, shes a gun you point at things with and THATS it. Thats the hero. Thats not a unique take, thats not a “Woah so wacky!!!” kit. Thats the most basic saltine cracker design.
Also just wanna point out the funny comparison here of you complaining about DPS burst damage while simultaneously saying “Wahh my burst damage support isnt dealing enough burst damage” in the same breath as “Isnt there enough burst damage heroes in this game?”
Then saying “Ugh why does the roles thats about supporting and utility have to force its heroes to have support and utility?”
Like roles exist for a reason man, and while its fine to blur the lines somewhat, Brig being a good example, Illari doesnt blur the line, she crosses over it completely while keeping one hand on the Support side of the line to say “Look guys I TECHNICALLY am support!”
And guess what bap has? A utility cooldown with lamp, my how revolutionary, a hero that can actually DPS and still doesnt completely throw away their identity in the role about supporting the team with a unique piece of utility.
Im not even saying Illari isnt weak or something, Im just stating outright shes a poorly designed hero in the wrong role. Shes the Sym of Overwatch 1.0 who while capable of supporting the team really just exists as another damage dealer, only Illari is less egregious than old Sym in support was.
The lack of logic on these forums never ceases to amaze me.
He’s A tier and his primary and secondary are strong but you have to be peak platinum to think blade needs nerfs
Masters 2 on support and Masters 3 on DPS but sure.
And then what, you call me plat and nothing changes. Whatever, forget this post.