PTR Brigette patch

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I am the overwatch player from 3700. I currently own 3 master account and one of the accounts is brig one trick account that is about 3500.

I agree that brig needs a nerf because I know she is one of the hidden op characters. However, at the same time, I am little worried that this nerf will make Brigette into a garbage character, like what’s happening right now on Mercy.

Currently, Brigette’s core skill shield bash’s damage got nerfed from 50 to 5. This means that when the flanking hero comes to attack healers, the maximum damage brig can put is 5+35+70, which is 105. Since most of the hero’s health is 200, we need to at least attack 3 more times as Brigette to kill the flanking hero. This gives about more than 1.8 seconds for the flanking hero to determine whether he can kill or run away from the healers. In high-rank games, this “1.8” seconds is a huge number. For an example, this is enough time for a McCree to shot 3 shots out of his 6 bullets to kill a hero. During this time, Brigette, who already used all of her skill sets to protect healer, cannot do anything to protect herself or healer excepting pressing X, hoping enemy to make a mistake.

Jeff wanted Brigette users to use basic attacks to protect healers, but that is really nonsensical opinion. Currently, most of Brigette’s heal depends on her E ability skill. Because, for Brigette, in order to heal teammates with her Inspire ability, she needs to risk of putting herself in the front of enemies. However, even with her high risk, her passive healing is only 16hp/s, which is less than Lucio’s passive healing, 16.25hp/s. So many of Brigette’s heal is usually depends on her E skill, which gives 150 hp and maximum 75 armor pack to teammates. Since this patch does not buff any of her E ability, I’m in a deep doubt whether this patch would give any huge positive effect on Brigette.

In a conclusion, the damage nerf of Brigette’s shield bash from 50 to 5, has a great possibility of making Brigette as a trash healer like what happened on Mercy. (Currently, most of GM&Master mercy mains tries other characters or leave Overwatch because they know how mercy become trash after her heal got nerfed from 60 to 50).

What do you guys think? Is this a proper nerf? Or is this too much nerf?

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Are you familiar with the flanking Brig? It’s one of the reasons she got the damage nerf. M1x2 >Bash > M1 > Whipshot is impossible for everyone but Tracer and Moria to escape and does a little over 200 damage.
The changes to the interaction with shields is obvious shield bash is low investment and it can open up one of the two main tanks to combo ults with next to no counterplay.

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It’s 110 not 105 you forgot to add the 5

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1st thing : The majority of the playerbase is not high ranks and that might be one of the biggest reason brig got nerfed.

2nd thing : So basically for the sake of “saving the backline from flankers” she should be unstoppable and leave no chance to flankers to do THEIR JOB ? Honnestly, if 2 master support players can’t handle a single flanker I’d say the problem is most likely not brigitte… Being forced to switch from Tracer just because Brig got picked in the other team is nowhere healthy and no hero should force another hero to switch, solely because of his kit more than their skills.

No, the damage nerf on brigitte’s shield bash was completely justified, no other stun in this game is that powerful damage wise, Ana’s sleep dart deals 5 (FIVE) damage if you land it, Roadhog’s Hook deals 30 damage. It never should have been that powerful in the first place. It’s not going to make her healing trash, if she’s in the melee hitting things she’ll still be able to heal (even more with her buff) , sure she might not be able to finish off targets

Mercy players are mad because Mercy got nerfed over and over and over because she got put in such a state that they couldn’t do otherwise to make her “normal” again. Now Mercy is incredibly unfun to play with, you might as well play Ana if you want to heal something

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Yes I agree that interaction with shields need to be nerfed. I agree with that nerf.

However, I personally think the flanking brig was balanced because when she is flanking, she is risking her life on the enemy’s ground to create some changes in the battlefield. Usually most of popular Overwatch heroes have those ability, such as Ana’s sleep dart or Zenyatta’s right click. Brigette is same. She just uses all of her skillset to kill a hero from the enemy’s ground. However, after killing the enemy by flanking, Brigette does not have any skill left to protect herself. So, if teammates know unescapable Brigette came behind she will just get killed by 5 different enemies.

Therefore, I personally think this as high-risk and high-return that give Brigette an ability to carry the team with a high-risk.

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My friend, you just discredited yourself and brought into question your claims of being master level but I’m going to humor you.
Flanking Brig is not balanced at all. Every problem hero this game has had boils down to one thing: They do too much. Allowing Brigette to flank while also being able to shield back lines, act as a support and anchor and be a very strong contender on the front lines is in every sense of the phrase doing to much.
Your claim that she’s without a defense is worthy of ridicule as well, since she has a 500 HP barrier that is still very much usable during her retreat and often times can stall for long enough for her to get all her abilities off of cooldown. Not only does she have a barrier, she self heals while doing damage, upping her chances of survival even more. Looking at this in a vacuum where her team doesn’t exist at all might make it seem fine, but that isn’t the case with overwatch, she just bursted down your support at the start of the engagement and you have 5 other players trying to kill you as well, it’s not viable to sink the resources into killing a hero with an effective 750 HP+a self heal in the back line and still win the fight.

There, I humored you instead of making fun of you for such foolish claims.

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Yeah, the nerf are too much.
But dps mains are blinded and cannot be reasoning when it comes to brigg, and since the mob includes pro players and streamers, Blizz don’t care about balance.

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Well, first I’m not a mercy player, so I don’t care about a mercy nerf. (XD)
And I also agree with Brigette is an OP character and that’s a reason why I made my 3rd account into Brigette only account.

However, I’m worrying that Brigette would change into one of limited ability potential character like a mercy. Currently, after the healing nerf of mercy, if you see the top 500 people there are no player who mains on the mercy. I personally think this means, the potential character ability of mercy became worse than any other characters. I’m worrying that Brigette would follow up the same step like what happened to the Mercy.

And yes, you are right. You said it is a problem if two master support player cannot handle a single flanker. Yes, we can handle a single flanker alone as Ana or Zenyatta. I only take Brigette out when stupid Doomfist comes out.

Lastly, the reason why Brigette had such a huge damage on the shield bash is that of her basic attack damage only deals 35 dmg per shot. Ana deals 70, and Roadhog deals 150.

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Imo Brigitte is still going to be viable. As of today, she works with every map, every composition. It’s not a bad thing if she get a little more niche

You’re right, mercy is not picked that much because other healers bring more utility. It’s just my opinion but I think it’s only fair Skilled based heroes like Ana are more played by the more skilled players.

Well the problem is, Brigitte is already super hard to kill with her 250HP+Armor and her 500HP shield and her self heal (and maybe her rally armor on top of that) , can you actually believe she was release with a 5 SECONDS cooldown shield bash ? With a broken hitbow ? With a 600HP Shield ? AND With such a combo kill potential ?
There is really not a reason as to why brig’s shield bash deals 50dmg, she has been overloaded since day one, she super tanky, she has pretty decent heals and such DPS, like no that’s way too much.

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Pretty much. If you see a streamer or popular YT whine about x support that’s practically a mark for death.

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Honestly if the other team let a Brig burst down their support then they deserve to lose that team fight. Flanking Brig may be able to get a kill, but she doesn’t have the mobility to escape. Yes, she has a shield, but with the speed she has to leave the other team should have plenty of time to react and take her down in a 1v2 or 1v3 situation. Then making it a 5v5.

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Please stop spreading flanking _____ as a reason to nerf heroes. Brigitte or Hog could only get away with this in the lower tiers because people in lower tiers struggle with positioning. That’s their punishment for being bad not a reason to nerf a hero…

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Honestly don’t even know where this “flanking Brig” came from when she’ll get blown up immediately due to her 6m range and being a support hero. Meanwhile Hog could do it from a 20m range.

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Actually, Mercy’s winrate is looking pretty good after the most recent buff.

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It’s an excuse used by lower tier players to justify nerfs. I’ll jump in some games with a buddy in gold from time to time. There’s no positioning whatsoever. You can literally flank with any hero.

Sure Hog was especially punishing but he wasn’t that bad. He gave off insane ult charge if the team spotted him isolated and alone. Sadly, only in diamond up did this ever happen.

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You are making a 1v1 based argument for a team based game. Yes her damage is down, but if whoever is being attacked isn’t also shooting them do they really deserve to live? even Mercy can pump a few rounds into a stunned tracer to make sure Tracer dies, or a zen orb, or a nade.

It just takes her solo bully status away.