Really hope they increase his killing potential so he can go for aggressive plays. Last thing the game needs is another passive character like mercy that does nothing but hide and occasionally res behind walls.
Mercy works as a pure support because she has enough mobility to consistently outrun her attackers while she uses her primary fire to heal and damage boost.
Lifeweaver isn’t working as a pure support because he’s a slow moving guy with a giant hitbox and a laughable self-sustain ability, who can optionally waste his utility cooldowns trying to survive but will probably still get killed anyway.
I would love to see Dash get buffed, like, a lot, so that Lifeweaver can sustain himself well without having to resort to dueling. But if that doesn’t happen, the only alternative is that he gets the damage he needs to defend himself.
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It absolutely is about the damage. You can’t consistently duel without good damage. You can’t call yourself a DPS support if you’re not designed for at least some DPSing.
None of that is really true.
If you check Overbuff, this month across all ranks in comp, Lifeweaver is fourth place out of all supports for healing per 10 mins. The only healers who beat him are Mercy, Bap & Moira a.k.a. the heaviest healers we got.
However it wouldn’t be fair to say he’s better than Kiriko (or vice versa), because the numbers are so close for 4th place, and the positions change a lot depending on rank. From the data, based purely on healing numbers, LW I would say is definitely main healer material, but solidly B tier, as are Ana, Kiriko, and Brig.
However, it is very fair to say he does way more healing than Zen, who is always last place for heals. Also Lucio, who only does high healing in the lowest ranks.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Why are you going on about his ult and hit boxes? Ana doesn’t get brownie points in the healing department because she had to aim. It makes no impact on the numbers.
Absolutely not. You should take the opportunity to use platform offensively like that when you can, but for the most part platform is for Lifeweaver to sustain himself
Do you have dementia? You just replied to me when I pointed out LW’s pad is a vital escape tool. That means he could easily use the pad to survive every fight. How is a tool he uses every fight “niche”?
Also Ashe is fairly popular rn, and Bastion and Torb aren’t uncommon either. Altogether Platform is a valuable, multi-purpose tool.
Most of his non ultimate abilities (platform, dash) are primarily valued for their escape potential. And actually even LW’s ultimate, which is effectively a healing Mei Wall, protects him
I explained the context if you just want to look at a bigger number then i can’t help you.
We’re talking about primary healing.
When you use healing per 10 mins you factor his ult in.
This why you don’t think it’s true.
I know you don’t.
If the same acc number reflects dps and healing and you ignore the context of it’s easier to heal. Then use that acc to reflect healing… You are speaking out of context.
It’s niche because it’s usefulness is greatly effected by a situation.
In some fights the only person that’ll use it is LW.
In niche setting like…
It becomes more useful.
Sym can use her tp every game as it’s a mobility tool but on some maps/team it’s much more impactful making it a niche tool like LW pad.
I actually like the niche aspect of it but in combo of having a heal that heals less and has less utility than
Kirko primary.
Ana primary.
Mercy primary.
Brig packs only.
Bap alt fire.
Moria primary.
Yea your gonna have to find something to make up that skill express which will be usung his dps to comfirm kills.
Doesn’t make him a dps support but he’s not a pure support like mercy either.
I’ll close on this…
The fact you are at a point of insulting me.
And you call fact lies.
I think made a my point you are unable to debunk without lying or insulting me so. gg.
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Supports, whether you like or not, should not be able to freely 1v1 any hero. They should be rewarded with a kill if they play very well in a 1v1 situation, but DPS should always be favored in a 1v1 scenario. Otherwise rename the role, it’s not support. Make it ‘utility-dps’.
If a hero has a gun and you never use it, you’re not using that hero to its full potential.
Lifeweavers weapon seriously needs a big buff. It almost takes like 3 reloads to kill a full 200 hp character. That a total of 180 bullets. Like jeez it’s bad.
No, you can’t help, because your “explanation” had no bearing on the situation.
We’re trying to categorise LW’s support style. I’m arguing that he’s a Pure Support, because how can you be a DPS support when you do no damage?
It doesn’t matter what niche scenario you manufacture, it just doesn’t make sense to class some supports as damage focused and then say they don’t need to be able to do damage. It’s an oxymoron.
Make it make sense.
So what? What does it matter if they’re healing with primary fire or ult? It doesn’t.
Last I checked healing and damage are tracked separately. No idea what you’re getting at here but I’m guessing it’s because you’ve realised your argument makes no sense so you’re reaching.
It’s not tho. We just established it’s a vital escape tool that LW can use whenever he gets flanked or focusee, which will happen often since he’s a high value targets with little damage like Mercy.
So? That doesn’t make it niche. The only niche part of its use is, for example, lifting up turrets, since that’s not going to happen too often. But as an ability on the whole it has quite a few varied uses, at least some of which will be used every teamfight, so it’s not fair to call the ability niche as a whole.
No. That makes Sym a niche hero perhaps, but not the Teleporter itself.
This is silly because, again, they don’t only have specific abilities, but even worse than just being silly this is plain wrong.
Brigitte’s packs do, at most, 275 o er 6 seconds. By the end of that 6 seconds, Brig has another 2 packs ready, so that’s another 275. But by the end of another 6 seconds (12 s in total) she only has 1 pack, which will only do 125 for 6 s.
So over 18 s she’s done 675 hp healed. 675/18 is 37.5, and the longer the fight goes, the lower it drops, until she gets to a minimum of ~20 HPS.
Lifeweaver’s primary at most is 65 every 1.3s (1 second charge, .3 recovery). That’s 50 HPS, same as Mercy.
LW has the lowest KDA of all Supports including Mercy, and just like her he is significantly behind all the other supports in Elims per 10 min. Specifically, she has ~2, he has about 4 and all the rest have between 8-13.
Damage per 10 min is the same story. Most supports are around 2-3k. LW is not even 1k, and Mercy sits at not even 0.5k.
Even tho LW does double Mercy’s damage, it’s still half what the other supports are doing at best. Even Kiriko.
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Doesn’t make him a dps support but he’s not a pure support like mercy either.
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Again, we’ve established that LW is a strong healer, doing ~4th most healing of all Supports.
We established LW does very little damage compared to most supports, much like Mercy.
How is he anything but a pure support?
With how you’ve carried on, I think asking if you have memory issues was a completely fair question.
Please quote where I accused you of lying (spoiler: I didn’t)
Literally see above.
Glhf! 
You can say that but if you can’t explain it, you not disproving it. I gave a clear example where his dps is more effective than his healing.
You’re trying to categorize him as a pure support. I’m disagreeing because I see his dps as an important part of his hit, unlike Mercy.
The DPS support point is a strawman you’re using to make your argument stronger… only issue is it has 0 to do with anything I’m saying.
A situation where the enemy is low isn’t a niche scenario.
Because we’re talking about primary healing.
They’re not.
I explained it and it hasn’t changed. You said if you factor in Acc it’s not true.
This is you reaching and I’m correcting it.
You just admitted you don’t even know how the acc stat works for healing/dps so. yea. That’s done.
47.5 w/ reload
And sure if you only heal as LW you will out heal brig (pack only) after 18 secs, your heals aren’t blocked, and if you don’t do anything else like use abilty’s ect. Which I’d consider niche fights rarly last that long and what matter is pure hp/s.
Brig packs are at 50 hp/s + 25 instant + inspire (tho I don’t need to count this).
But sure if your healing a training bot for 18 secs + … LW heal is better.
I’ll quote it a second time. Also, I didn’t say you called me a lier. You called facts a lie lol. Which is worse fyi.
You said all of that was untrue. Which is calling it a lie. I mean you are literally saying brig packs don’t heal because you said none of that is really true. I do understand that’s not your point but if you can’t write your point clearly.
It’s a point not made. This is probably why rather than discussing things you just say “your “explanation” had no bearing on the situation”. You probably have some idea why it doesn’t make sense… but if you can’t explain it no point is made and you’re just saying things.
You said that after I asked you if you understood what niche meant? Because you gave a niche example as a reason it wasn’t niche. Imo, your being defensive by insulting because you understood what I said. Now, I’ll add the answer to do you know what niche is? is, yes, no or not sure. Really not that hard.
Either way,
This is my favirote thing you said as it highlights you logic making process…
I explain how acc works and what was wrong with what you said…
You have 2 choices…
- Look it up and adjust your argument.
- Double down and make an insult.
In my opinion on of those options makes you a joke and the other makes you open minded and well-thought-out.
No, you gave a really forced example that is not representative of support gameplay.
Or are you telling me that because Mercy has a chance to kill a flanker with her gun she’s a DPS support too? 
What use is 1k damage over 10 minutes?
Oh no, that’s not what you said. Your example was a ln ally and an enemy fighting at 50 hp each, which is a lot more niche than just a low ally.
And it made even less sense because you presumed that LW would have an uncharged orb, as if he’s paying no attention to his team.
No, you’re trying to restrict the conversation to primary healing because his ultimate is inconvenient to your argument that he does loads of healing.
They have separate categories on Overbuff.
I never used the term “acc” and idk what you even mean when you say it.
Again, no idea what you mean by acc, but if you’re so enlightened I would have thought you could have explained it.
65 HP / 1.3 seconds is 50 HPS?
Oh no, you specifically said Brig packs only, so you can’t include Inspire, and especially not because you turned out to be wrong.
It also doesn’t help you to include abilities, because Lifeweaver can pop his ult in that case. And as we discussed earlier, that pushes up his hps significantly higher than Brig.
Idk about you but I’m basing my data off reality, on the games people actually play. And the reality is that LW is outhealing Brig, and a lot of the other healers actually.
Why? Because last time I checked, “untrue” and “lie” are not synonyms (do I need to give you a minute to check the dictionary?).
If I really called anything or anyone a lie, you should be able to find a straight up quote where I say “X is a lie”. And yet you have not provided that.
You want to apologise yet for making false accusations, or is that just your style?
Please quote where I said that exact phrase.
This is rich. You’re accusing me of of being unable to write clearly when you can’t tell the difference between a direct quote and an inference.
I don’t know what English teacher failed you, but you have my condolences 
I guess I’ll reiterate since you’re having trouble keeping up:
Lifeweaver big heal.
Lifeweaver smaaalllll damage.
A DPS support that does not make.
“Agree with me or you’re close minded” that’s literally cult mentality.
Well I’m sorry to disappoint you but I refuse to turn off my critical thinking skills for your benefit
I do hope the buffs come as more defensive/healing support buffs rather than just giving him more damage… we need this more than another dps focused support.
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I couldn’t agree more. Pure Supports are desperately needed
- Mercy has a chance to kill a flanker with her gun she’s a DPS support too?
Not calling LW a DPS support. But in the same situation, it’s better for mercy to heal.
- What use is 1k damage over 10 minutes?
If it’s the difference between getting an elim or not. Pretty big.
- Oh no, that’s not what you said.
I was giving a different example where his damage was useful.
- you’re trying to restrict the conversation to primary healing because his ultimate is inconvenient to your argument"
I’m talking about his primary healing vs others. You’re the one bringing ults into it. I have never changed my point. But if you want to factor his ult in, I’ll agree 1 in 3 fights his healing is on par with other main heals.
- They have separate categories on Overbuff.
Scoped and unscoped. That’s it. You’ve doubled down 3 times now.
- I never used the term “acc” and idk what you even mean when you say it.
acc is short for accuracy.
- 65 HP / 1.3 seconds is 50 HPS?
47.5 w/reloads. Look at the wiki.
- Oh no, you specifically said Brig packs only, so you can’t include Inspire,
I said “tho I don’t need to count this”.
- Idk about you but I’m basing my data off reality, on the games people actually play. And the reality is that LW is outhealing Brig, and a lot of the other healers actually.
Comp All ranks 3 Months
He’s 7th out of 10. Beating brig by about 100. LOL… PS above diamond it’s worse and in GM he’s 8th under brig. <3
- You want to apologise yet for making false accusations, or is that just your style?
Calling something untrue. That’s calling it a lie when the context of the thing you are calling untrue is true.
- Please quote where I said that exact phrase.
“Brig is the same” in context to LW heal (There is a ton of stuff in there that is true)
- I don’t know what English teacher failed you, but you have my condolences
You make up an insult. I showed how you literally are wrong.
- A DPS support that does not make.
- “Agree with me or you’re close minded” that’s literally cult mentality.
That’s your interpretation. My point is if you double/triple down on something take doesn’t exist you’re closeminded.
- Well I’m sorry to disappoint you but I refuse to turn off my critical thinking skills for your benefit
All i’m asking is for you read overbuff/overwatch.
Well I’m glad we got there in the end.
Same with LW
I’m pretty sure the enemy team can heal off k damage over 10 minutes.
That doesn’t make him a good damage dealer.
He literally outheals most healers.
But what does the scoped/unscoped accuracy matter?
It’s still more than Brig (see below)
There’s a this month option too, which is pretty important since Lifeweaver is very new and both him & Brig have had changes recently. And this month, LW beats Brig comfortably fit healing.
So we’re you just unable to work out how to use Overbuff or were you purposefully trying to skew the data in your favour?
It’s not tho, and you know, you’re just too embarrassed to admit you were wrong, and that I didn’t, in fact, accuse you of lying.
There are lots of reasons people can say something untrue. You could have been lying, or you could have made an honest mistake with the facts. Or maybe you’re just not smart enough to know what you’re talking about.
Take your pick.
But you were accusing me of saying Brit don’t heal. “Brig is the same” is a completely different sentence.
Do you actually know what a quote is? Seriously, I’m concerned now. Like are you actually old enough to be on these forums? Because your reading comprehension is suggesting … otherwise.
Babes, I’m not insulting you, I just feel bad for you at this point. Embarassing yourself in public like this. You know other people can read these posts, right?
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- A DPS support that does not make.
Whether or not Lifeweaver classes as a DPS support is literally the entire point of this thread. Can you actually read?
The complete lack of self awareness you had to have to write that with a straight face … I’m cracking up 
Says the person who don’t even know theres a “This Month” feature 
A lot of your points show that your not following the discussion very well. Shown by…
Yet I said before…
Considering this it’s pretty ironic you said this later.
When your make points about things I never said.
So there isn’t much point in correcting you anymore. Until you adjust your points. For example, you should know why over-buff tracking only Unscoped/Scoped acc in context to Ana healing is relevant.
I did enjoy reading how you try to make a point about how I shouldn’t use the default setting or how you feel sorry for me. It’s easier for me to just show literally you can’t follow the discussion rather than makes up things I desperately hope are true for my ego’s sake.
As for the untrue thing… When I said “Brig is the same” it was in context of LW having a auto aim heal.
If you were calling me a liar then sure you wrong.
If you were calling me misinformed. I’m 100% about wrong about you calling me a lair but it also means you don’t think Brig has an auto-aim heal.
I figured you were just calling me a lair because I presumed you know how the game works. So pick one. I don’t really care about being wrong here because either way I’m happy with the outcome.
Look forward to your next cobbled-together insults and illogical claims like LW and Mercy’s heal are the same all because you care more about disproving me than being correct.
Translation: “I can’t actually rebuff a lot of your responses at this point, so I’ll just ignore them.”
Nice backtrack. You only admitted that quite recently.
You actually have to be correct to correct someone
If you can’t explain why that’s an issue, that says more about you not me.
And when do you plan on starting that show?
That’s a really roundabout way to say sorry, but apology accepted
If you hit her shots, especially crits, she has a higher DPS than Moira … What are you talking about??
Lifeweaver will never work as a passive support because he’s massive and has no consistent mobility to get away I don’t see how they would get another support to be like mercy honestly. she only works because she has damage boost and life weaver has: nothing
If they buffed him, he’d work
Yeah but how would they buff him