Proof that Moira's weapon does lock on

First of all, I am aware of the infamous YouTube video that supposedly explains why Moira’s right click is essentially a standard beam with a pseudo lock on animation, but it’s actually wrong, and I’m here to explain why.

People keep saying how lock on weapons are supposed to follow a certain list of rules by mentioning Sym and Mercy’s left click, and how they stay locked on even when the target is out of the target to reticle lock on angle or out of LoS for a short period of time, while Moira’s right click doesn’t. Here’s why this logic is flawed:

First of all, Sym and Mercy’s lock on left clicks don’t even follow the same rules themselves. Mercy can perpetually stay tethered to her target, even if she can’t see them on her screen, as long as there are no objects blocking LoS. Meanwhile, Sym will lose the lock if the target is not visible on her screen.

Second, Sym and Mercy are not the only ones with lock on weapons. Torb’s turret, Sym’s turrets, high noon, Sombra’s hack, and tactical visor are all lock on abilities with different rules, but they still lock on. Tac visor’s target to reticle lock on angle is a large circle, and will immediately break if the target gets out of the circle. High noon will immediately break with the loss of LoS, and Torb and Sym turrets and Sombra’s hack work exactly the same way.

This means that lock on weapons/abilities can function under modified sets of rules. So you might say "if they all follow different rules, then what is it that classifies them as lock on abilities and not just glorified huge hitboxes with pseudo lock on animations? This brings us to the third and most important part.

What do all these abilities (Moira right click, Sym left click, Mercy left click, high noon, tac visor, hack, turrets etc.) have in common, other than their lock on animation?

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Well, the answer is simple. They can’t hit a hurtbox that is under the “untargetable” status. And which hero has the ability to enter the “untargetable” status? Sombra. What all these lock on animation abilities have in common is that they can’t target Sombra while she is invisible. Moira’s right click and her damage orb can’t hit Sombra while she is invisible, even if she moves directly within their hitbox, and the same rule applies to all the weapons/abilities with a lock on animation. If Moira’s right click was just a glorified Zarya beam, then she would be able to knock Sombra out of stealth with it.

There’s your proof. It boggles my mind how people can be so narrow minded to think that modifications cannot be applied to a certain type of code. It’s like saying that Zarya’s right clicks are not projectiles because they are lobbed and don’t move in a straight line like Zen’s orbs for example.

EDIT: A very good counter argument against my post is that both Sombra CAN actually be targeted by Mercy’s heal beam (and Zen’s friendly orbs). My answer to this is that Mercy’s beam (and harmony orb) is probably an exception, because technically is isn’t even a weapon or a harmful ability to begin with.

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That doesn’t prove anything because the moment you stop hitting your target, Moira’s beam no longer does damage to the enemy, even if they’re still on your screen. It definitely has a forgiving hitbox, but it’s still not lockon.

Moira’s primary doesn’t work until she hits a target. Sombra’s invisibility just acts as a way to bypass it.

Zenyatta also can’t Discord an invisible Sombra, so think of it that way. Moira needs a valid target for the beam to register any damage.

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Hey uh yeah it’s not a lock on. Visually, yes, it locks on to their body, but really it’s just a long cylinder.

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Moira has a 20 meter maximum range hitscan weapon with a large hitbox size, not a lock-on weapon.

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Neato, still doesn’t change the fact that the second you break LoS the beam breaks, you can’t continue to damage if the enemy leaves the attack hitbox, making it, say it with me, not a lock on.

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This is a really good observation as even Winston and Zarya can still target and hit an invisible Sombra.

However, when a Moria tries to proceed to do so, an invisible Sombra can be right in front of her and she still can’t target her while she is in Stealth Mode.

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Yeah but Winston and Zarya can fire freely in front of them even if there isn’t a target available. Moira pretty much has an invisible hitbox for her primary, that doesn’t visually appear and start doing damage until there’s a valid target. Stealth Sombra is not a valid target, otherwise Zenyatta can Discord her even in stealth. Discord needs a valid target as well.

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But when the definition of lock on changes to “can’t attack an invisible enemy” do let us know

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However, as soon as Sombra enter stealth mode, Zenyatta’s discord returns back to him.

If I remember correctly.

With no ammo and no reload, who cares if it’s lock on or not, your are never going to have a hard time hitting anyone.

You can just spam it😂

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Mercy’s can…

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Whether it’s lock on or not, it requires about the same amount of mechanical skill as Symmetra.

So that just proves my point that Sombra’s stealth makes her an invalid target.

I was just about to type this as Mercy can… any allies of Sombra can still target her.

Same thing happens with Tactical Visor. If the target moves out of the circle you lose the lock, but the ability still is considered a lock on. Lock on abilities can have different target to reticle lock on angles. And btw Zen’s orbs are lock on homing projectiles (a lock on weapon doesn’t have to be hitscan).

Did you even read the post?

Lock on weapons can have range limits (Sym beam is 7 meters, Mercy is 15, Torb turret is like 30 meters or so). Next.

Same happens with Torb turret, Hack, High Noon, Visor. Moving on.

Unless their bodies touch. In that case Sombra will be revealed and Moira will be able to target her (again, same rule with every lock on ability in the game).

Then what IS the definition of lock on? So far every single lock on ability follows different rules.

That is a very good observation. Mercy’s left click though is tecnically not a weapon. I mean, she can also target Mei (btw I should add Mei’s ability to become untargetable to the original post as well). Mei also becomes untargetable by enemy abilities.

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Also, your logic is flawed and the youtube video is correct.

S76, torb turrets, and sym turrets also don’t “lock on”, they aim automatically. This goes back to what is understood as locking on: A different set of rules to initiate lock than to maintain lock.

Torb turret will aim at you as soon as your visible, and lose focus as soon as you’re not. That’s the exact same rule set to acquire target and maintain target.

High Noon is the same, though he’s not really “aiming”. It’s an “conical AoE that charges and is that activated”: If you’re in range and sight, it charges damage on you and then he activates it to fire. There’s no lock on (in sight: charging, out of sight: not charging).

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It “locks on” to a target. It can continue to hurt/heal them after attaching once LoS is broken. If the connection breaks when something walks through it or the instant LoS is broken, it’s not a lock on.

Coolio. The answer remains exactly the same, so…

Also good to note that auto aim and lock on are not the same thing

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What VclScore is saying is that Moria should be able to target an stealth Sombra, but because of the way her primary works I guess, it does not…

When comparing Primary as both Zarya and Winston gets the comparison with Moria, even Zarya and Winston can still target an stealth Sombra.

Meaning something is not right here as yes what you are saying is correct, but also both you and the VclScore is correct.

“Particular interaction intentionally put in to balance out the game proves X random point because I said so.”

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Yeah I did read it, but Moira’s beam isn’t a lock on. Moira’s beam requires a target to visually and actually do anything because it drains life directly from that target, but it’s still a cylinder. Also your original post tries to connect barely there coincidences to falsely justify and claim Moira’s attack is a lock on when it’s been proven a lot that it isn’t.

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